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Ted Rolles
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Canada
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 Posted - 13/05/2014 : 02:43:51
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| Everything seems to point to Ole being the one and only except the birthdate on the census, however I think an 8 could easily be mistaken for a 3 if the pen ink was not flowing well. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 02:47:04
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Well, now this is different. The baptismal of the two eldest daughters in the Ole Rolles family are found in the Petersburg [North Dakota] evangelical lutheran registers in the ELCA database, both on page 41.
Karen Olea
b. 3 Apr 1886 baptized 25 Apr 1886
parents: Ole M. Rolles & Kari Trondsen
faddernes: Hans Engebretson and wife (not named here but listed as Sofie on other baptisms) and A.R. Swenseid and wife (not named here but listed as Karine on other baptisms)
Josephine Martine
b. 20 May 1887 bapt. 17 July 1887
parents are Ole M. Rolles and Kari (no patronymic given)
faddernes: A.R. Swenseid and wife, Karine
A.A. Mehus and wife Margit |
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Ted Rolles
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Canada
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 03:06:12
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| Hmm looks like maybe Ole fancied the name Kari, Karen, etc and had a different wife for every child. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 03:06:30
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Here are results for the search for Rolles' at the glorecords.blm.gov. Karen O. Rolles' is an original homestead granted to her heirs, so she passed on before completing. Ola M. Rolles' is also an original homestead. These packets are spendy $50/ each but you might want to get the copies depending on your interest level. The BLM site also has a mapping feature so you can view how the 2 properties relate to each other. I think Ellef M Rolles is your ancestor:
MN2750__.142 PatenteeROLLES, OLA M 9/15/1902 11502 MN 5th PM 162N - 043W SW¼ 13 Roseau
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 04:44:50
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So here are the Ancestry records on Ole and Kari
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Ole Mortensen
Name: Ole Mortensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 mar 1858
Baptism Date: 13 mai 1858 (13 May 1858)
Baptism Place: Botne,Vestfold,Norway
Father: Martin Olsen
Mother: Karen Olea Vilhelmsdr
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Kari Pedersdatter
Name: Kari Pedersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 mai 1858 (10 May 1858)
Baptism Date: 30 mai 1858 (30 May 1858)
Baptism Place: Gol, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Peder Pedersen
Mother: Kari Nielsdr
FHL Film Number: 278189 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 06:24:40
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Here is an interesting long shot. With Jan Peter posting that he felt that the name could be Kari Iversen and with Jackie's find of the name Kari Tondsen, perhaps this person fits both of those and is from Gol and born in 1853 besides.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Kari Iversdatter
Name: Kari Iversdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 feb 1853
Baptism Date: 3 apr 1853
Baptism Place: Gol, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Iver Thronsen
Mother: Birgit Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 278189 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/05/2014 06:25:10 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 07:03:03
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Very interesting since they are on Grøndalen farm (in Hemsedal), #43 on this page:
Source information: Buskerud county, Gol, Parish register (official) nr. I 2 (1837-1863), Birth and baptism records 1853, page 144-145.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7751&idx_id=7751&uid=ny&idx_side=-79
And here is the parents' marriage #15:
Source information: Buskerud county, Gol, Parish register (official) nr. I 2 (1837-1863), Marriage records 1852, page 388-389.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7751&idx_id=7751&uid=ny&idx_side=-206
This couple is found in the Hemsedalslekthistorie on farm Træe, pg 384:
"Ivar [Trondsen] 1828-74-46 bonde i Træe.
Ivar fekk garden g.m syskinbarnet sit Birgit Hansdtr Brandvøl 1823-79-56: .... Kari [Ivarsdatter]1853 rtA (hadde ei datter Birgit Hansdtr 1879)..."
Some interpretation required. The numbers behind the name is the birth year, followed by the year of death, and age at death. RtA is an abbreviation for reise til Amerika (moved or travelled to America). It goes on to say that all the members of the family either died or moved away. Kari has at least one brother who also came to US named Trond b 1851, teacher in south Aurdal then to US.
#53 Bergit Hansdatter's, b. 29 Oct 1879
Source information: Buskerud county, Hemsedal in Gol, Parish register copy nr. II 5 (1875-1891), Birth and baptism records 1879, page 22.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1091&idx_id=1091&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
Here are Kari and baby Bergit leaving Norway in 1881. Interesting the man below Bergit is Iver Hansen Dokken the same fellow who was faddernes to Bergit and also reported the birth.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=30725&merk=30725#ovre |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/05/2014 08:15:41 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 09:48:19
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Very interesting since they are on Grøndalen farm (in Hemsedal), #43 on this page:
Source information: Buskerud county, Gol, Parish register (official) nr. I 2 (1837-1863), Birth and baptism records 1853, page 144-145.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7751&idx_id=7751&uid=ny&idx_side=-79
And here is the parents' marriage #15:
Source information: Buskerud county, Gol, Parish register (official) nr. I 2 (1837-1863), Marriage records 1852, page 388-389.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7751&idx_id=7751&uid=ny&idx_side=-206
This couple is found in the Hemsedalslekthistorie on farm Træe, pg 384:
"Ivar [Trondsen] 1828-74-46 bonde i Træe.
Ivar fekk garden g.m syskinbarnet sit Birgit Hansdtr Brandvøl 1823-79-56: .... Kari [Ivarsdatter]1853 rtA (hadde ei datter Birgit Hansdtr 1879)..."
Some interpretation required. The numbers behind the name is the birth year, followed by the year of death, and age at death. RtA is an abbreviation for reise til Amerika (moved or travelled to America). It goes on to say that all the members of the family either died or moved away. Kari has at least one brother who also came to US named Trond b 1851, teacher in south Aurdal then to US.
#53 Bergit Hansdatter's, b. 29 Oct 1879
Source information: Buskerud county, Hemsedal in Gol, Parish register copy nr. II 5 (1875-1891), Birth and baptism records 1879, page 22.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1091&idx_id=1091&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
Here are Kari and baby Bergit leaving Norway in 1881. Interesting the man below Bergit is Iver Hansen Dokken the same fellow who was faddernes to Bergit and also reported the birth.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=30725&merk=30725#ovre
Bergit Hansdatter = Bertha Rolles  |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 10:54:09
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I'm going through the Boka Om Gol right now to see if there are any matching families. There were several farms called "Hallen" but none that I have seen (even though it does look like Haldeneie /Holdenet in the baptismal register) called Halden.
I believe the Halden farm in question was/is a subfarm under Hoftun in Gol. Modern spelling is Halli. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/05/2014 12:25:44 |
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Ted Rolles
Medium member
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 15:15:07
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Originally posted by jkmarler
This couple is found in the Hemsedalslekthistorie on farm Træe, pg 384:
"Ivar [Trondsen] 1828-74-46 bonde i Træe.
Ivar fekk garden g.m syskinbarnet sit Birgit Hansdtr Brandvøl 1823-79-56: .... Kari [Ivarsdatter]1853 rtA (hadde ei datter Birgit Hansdtr 1879)..."
Some interpretation required. The numbers behind the name is the birth year, followed by the year of death, and age at death. RtA is an abbreviation for reise til Amerika (moved or travelled to America). It goes on to say that all the members of the family either died or moved away. Kari has at least one brother who also came to US named Trond b 1851, teacher in south Aurdal then to US.
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The two links above do not work. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 15:27:14
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I'm going through the Boka Om Gol right now to see if there are any matching families. There were several farms called "Hallen" but none that I have seen (even though it does look like Haldeneie /Holdenet in the baptismal register) called Halden.
I believe the Halden farm in question was/is a subfarm under Hoftun in Gol. Modern spelling is Halli.
Could be. The lone reference I found was in Boka om Gol III (same volume, so same geographical area as Hoftun) under "Nybråten/ Hallen". The last person entry there is "Nils Guttormson Hallen, f 1928, skriv Halden" but no mentions whatsoever of the first names. There is also a Halden in Nes / Flå but likewise none of the first names under question. So basically pulling a zero until Anton's mention of a 3 way name possibility.
So now I wonder what is the nature of the Pederson maiden name found for her son Henning? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 16:02:34
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Originally posted by Ted Rolles
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Originally posted by jkmarler
This couple is found in the Hemsedalslekthistorie on farm Træe, pg 384:
"Ivar [Trondsen] 1828-74-46 bonde i Træe.
Ivar fekk garden g.m syskinbarnet sit Birgit Hansdtr Brandvøl 1823-79-56: .... Kari [Ivarsdatter]1853 rtA (hadde ei datter Birgit Hansdtr 1879)..."
Some interpretation required. The numbers behind the name is the birth year, followed by the year of death, and age at death. RtA is an abbreviation for reise til Amerika (moved or travelled to America). It goes on to say that all the members of the family either died or moved away. Kari has at least one brother who also came to US named Trond b 1851, teacher in south Aurdal then to US.
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The two links above do not work.
Try again. I just tried all 4 links and they all worked. You might have to copy and paste into your browser (even though I didn't have to just now.) |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 16:13:33
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The two links above do not work.
They work for me |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/05/2014 16:14:15 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 16:30:57
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Here is the arrival of Iver Dokken and his family. Just above Iver are two people. K Iversen age 24 and B do infant. However I have not yet figured out what name the transcriber has given them so I can find their record.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Iver M Dokkin
Arrival Date: 23 May 1881
Birth Date: abt 1844
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of New York
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2014 : 16:36:22
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Very likely Kari Iversen and daughter Brigit arrival. The names are a little hard to read but this transcription is a real stretch.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: K Sypresson
Arrival Date: 23 May 1881
Birth Date: abt 1859
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of New York |
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Assistance for "Grindahl, Karen 'carrie'
