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Erik Carsten
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 Posted - 22/08/2014 : 06:59:49
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| I am beginning to wonder if our Paul Johannesen (Johnson) might have been Danish?....Swedish? Although all birth records of the 3 children, the 1875 Census, and the newly found Marriage record indicate he was born in Norway. Both the marriage record and the 1875 census show the year of birth as 1835...... |
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Erik Carsten
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eibache
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Posted - 23/08/2014 : 09:17:26
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Pauls parents, Jon Ingebrigtsen and Eli Paulsdatter were married July 5 1821. Their children were:
Eli, b April 20 1822
Ingebrigt, b Feb 22 1828
Paul, b Febr 1 1831.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 26/08/2014 : 20:17:53
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I have learned that the birth records for the first two girls born and then baptized at Valley Lutheran Church in Nerstrand, Minnesota were in fact taken from a book that was a copy from another. I have since learned that the original Ministerial book is being held by St. Olaf Colleg Archives for safekeeping, and they have sent me a pdf file of the pertinent pages. It is interesting that many of the names in the copied books are different than was written in the original book.
I can only surmise that when the copies were made that people's names had been changed and the transcriber wrote in the name they were currently using at the time.
The original book does offer us some additional clues, and I can read the names more clearly for one. One of the witnesses for Emma's baptism was named Anna Johannesdatter....and so she may be a sister of Paul Johannesen.... Another difference in the original book is that Paul goes by "Johannesen" whereas in the copy he goes by "Johnson".
Perhaps one of the reasons we have been unable to find this family is Norway is that they may have immigrated before 1865..however I haven't seen them in the 1870 census for example... the family unit according to the Ministerial books is:
father: Johan Johannesen
mother: Eli Paulsdatter
son: Paul Johannesen b. 1835 .....
daughter? Anna Johannesdatter ? |
Edited by - Erik Carsten on 26/08/2014 22:58:45 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/09/2014 : 04:32:44
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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
however I haven't seen them in the 1870 census for example... the family unit according to the Ministerial books is:
father: Johan Johannesen
mother: Eli Paulsdatter
son: Paul Johannesen b. 1835 .....
daughter? Anna Johannesdatter ?
Just for the sake of clarity, which ministerial book are you speaking about? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/09/2014 : 04:35:56
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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
Dear All. I received a pdf file of the marriage record of Annie Josiasdatter and Paul "Johnson"... it actually reads:
Paul Johannesen and it lists his parents as Johan Johannesen and Eli ? Paulsdatter. The marriage took place on November 12, 1870 and it states his age is 35. This corresponds to thet 1875 Minnesota STate Census says he was 40 years old which would imply DOB 1835.
Is this the "civil" marriage record or a church record? |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 02/09/2014 : 15:40:25
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
Dear All. I received a pdf file of the marriage record of Annie Josiasdatter and Paul "Johnson"... it actually reads:
Paul Johannesen and it lists his parents as Johan Johannesen and Eli ? Paulsdatter. The marriage took place on November 12, 1870 and it states his age is 35. This corresponds to thet 1875 Minnesota STate Census says he was 40 years old which would imply DOB 1835.
Is this the "civil" marriage record or a church record?
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Hi Jackie. This is from the church records, Valley Grove Lutheran in Nerstrand, Minnesota.
The family unit is from a compilation of Church records, with Anna Johansdatter being a witness and with her last name a possible sister.m |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/09/2014 : 22:42:57
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I wonder if this is the same person as Jackie shows directly above. Arrival is listed as July, 1851. From Ancestry.com
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: Paul O Johnson
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1832
Birth Place: Norway
Age at Event: 24
Court District: Rhode Island
Year of Arrival: 1851
Date of Action: 3 Mar 1857 |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 04/09/2014 : 01:36:29
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I appreciate the attempts but until I receive more information I do not think we should attempt to spend much time on this subject. I am going to the library now to look at some microfiche from a Norwegian Church in Evansville that has birth records for Anna Johnson's niece and nephew and perhaps she was listed as a witness and if so it may be will give us a clue as to what her name was then. stay tuned. ...and THANK YOU all for your generous help and interest in my family research.
best to all. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/09/2014 : 15:41:16
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I wonder if this is the same person as Jackie shows directly above. Arrival is listed as July, 1851. From Ancestry.com
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: Paul O Johnson
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1832
Birth Place: Norway
Age at Event: 24
Court District: Rhode Island
Year of Arrival: 1851
Date of Action: 3 Mar 1857
Yes, Paul O. Johnson was a long time resident of Rhode Island appearing there in virtually every US Federal census & Rhode Island state census between 1860 and at least 1905. So most likely didn't move on to Minnesota. |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 03/10/2014 : 01:50:57
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Perhaps to old, still a candidate;
Poul Johnsen (Johannesen) born on farm Kylstad, Vang parish, Hedmark county Feb.15. bapt. April 4.1830
Parents; "Inderst" Lodger John Johannesen and Eli Poulsdatter, see #12
Siblings; Kari 1833, Knud 1839.
Kċre
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Kare. I think we should go back to this person. Can you find any additional information on this family? 1865 norwegian census or immigration.
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