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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 15/01/2015 : 10:45:12
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A candidate for Erich Olsen is the one baptized April 8 1784, see 3rd record on left page.
His parents were Ole Erichsen and Live Amundsdatter, Ødegaards-ejet.
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Edited by - eibache on 15/01/2015 20:06:54 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 15/01/2015 : 20:37:55
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A good candidate for Erich Erichsen is the one baptized Oct 6 1776, see 3rd record from bottom of right page.
His parents were Erich Erichsen and Giertrud Engebretsdatter.
His parents and siblings in 1801.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/01/2015 : 20:46:55
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Nice, eibache.
Marit and the children traveled from Norway to Hull, from Hull to Liverpool, from Liverpool to New York. Their departure from Oslo and arrival and New York are posted. Here is their departure from Liverpool. On the original handwritten document, "Olive" looks like "Oline" to me. Interesting, because she used Olive in the USA, I believe.
UK, Outward Passenger Lists (Ancestry.com)
NAME: Olive Odden
AGE: 4
BIRTH DATE: abt 1888
DEPARTURE DATE: 19 Apr 1892
PORT OF DEPARTURE: Liverpool, England
DESTINATION PORT: New York, USA
SHIP NAME: Bothnia
MASTER: Hewitson
Traveling with Marit T? Odden and Knut
1895 Minnesota State Census
Thom Odden 40 b Norway, resident of MN 6 years
Marit Odden 39 b Norway, resident of MN 3 years
Knut Odden 12
Olia Odden 8
--census also includes info that the family has been in this enumeration district 2 years |
Edited by - JaneC on 15/01/2015 20:50:52 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 15/01/2015 : 22:16:21
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Originally posted by eibache
Thomas Oddens parents, Knud Thoresen and Marit Knudsdatter, were married Febr 19 1855, see #3.
Marriage record Febr 19, 1855, Østre Slidre, Oppland, Norway
gives Marit Knudsdatter's father name as Knud Nilsen (right?).
A candidate for Marit Knudsdatter's birth-baptism here:
30 November 1827, Marit
baptized 26 December
Parents Knud Nilsen and Marit Gulbransdr
#31
Oppland fylke, Hegge, Rogne, Volbu i Slidre, Klokkerbok nr. 2 (1814-1839), Fødte og døpte 1827-1828, side 288-289.
And the Family Search transcription of the same birth record.
Link
Reason I'm asking what is the correct birth for Marit, is that cherylD has posted Marit Knudsdatter on her public family tree (Ancestry.com) - this way:
Marit Knutsdatter Klevesbrokn Rogne
Father: Knut
Mother: Gurru Larsdatter
The source given for this Marit's identity is this birth-baptism:
Norway, Select Baptisms (Ancestry.com)
NAME: Marit Knudtsdatter
GENDER: Female
BIRTH DATE: 24 aug 1825
BAPTISM DATE: 25 sep 1825
BAPTISM PLACE: Hemne, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
FATHER: Knudt Torgersen
MOTHER: Gurru Larsdatter
FHL FILM NUMBER: 126694
REFERENCE ID: bk4 p55 cn46
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Edited by - JaneC on 15/01/2015 22:19:21 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2015 : 20:38:13
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Hi CherylD, to clarify, sorry to say it, but I'm pointing to an error in your family tree at Ancestry (or, tree seems to be yours).
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CherylD
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 16/01/2015 : 21:36:53
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Yes I thought I corrected it and it should be better now
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2015 : 22:56:31
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Knud Thoresen birth record here:
Born in Nord-Aurdal, Oppland, Norway
6 February 1831, baptized 6 March
Knud
Parents:
Bachelor Thore Knudsen, Sobo (?)
Unmarried woman Barbro Johannesdatter, Sobo--?--
#26 original record
Source: Oppland fylke, Nord-Aurdal, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1828-1841), Fødte og døpte 1831, side 38.
On your tree you have Knut Torsen born 1831 in Belgum, N Aurdal, Valdres, Norway. As you can see in the birth record, the priest spelled his name Knud in the birth record, and his father Thore, so change to Knud Thoresen maybe?
Valdres is more of a geographical term as I understand it (?) - and usually we use political place names to designate where a birth record is located, for example "Chicago, Cook County, Illinois" rather than "Chicago, Midwest." So Knud would be born in Nord-Aurdal, Oppland, Norway.
Again, these are comments I can delete, meant for the short term - as in the long run they will simply bog down your thread.
Valdres on Wikipedia
Obviously the spelling of a person's name varies through the years in various records. People's standard for which spelling to choose, varies within the online family tree community. |
Edited by - JaneC on 16/01/2015 23:22:38 |
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CherylD
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 17/01/2015 : 01:38:44
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Originally posted by JaneC
Okay - not trying to bug you, but I'm looking at it now, unchanged. Maybe you have more than one tree?
This is the Rosvold Family Tree I am mentioning. Owner dcheryl8
"Marit Knutsdatter Klevesbrokn Rogne" on the Rosvold tree has parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great grandparents, on and on. A whole lot of "Oops."
Another thing I noticed (I'm not checking your tree, just happened to see this) was that you added, after we found her, Kornelia (Nellie) Petrine Knudsdatter Ostrem born 15 April 1884 at Ostrem Borgund Norway.
I can see why you'd use "Ostrem" for her name, as that is how her maiden name appears in USA records, but when she was born, her parents were living at Østrem, which is not the same (close, but no cigar). However, I don't recall ever seeing the patronymic "Knudsdattter" used in any record. When she was confirmed, her last name was given as Østrem and ditto when she immigrated. It is true that in past times a little girl would automatically be ---datter (blank filled by her father's first name). Naming customs modernized over time, and "Knudsdatter" became "Knudsen" and also gradually, over time, people stopped using patronymics entirely. I'm just not sure she was ever "Knudsdatter." Maybe some other forum member will comment/clarify.
Kornelia Petrine's birth place was Borgund in Borgund, Møre og Romsdal, Norway.
I'm hoping this is helpful and not annoying. Also your last thread, the one with Kornelia Petrine in it, ends with you "accidentally" finding some ancestry info (the details of which you did not share), which sounds kinda like stumbling upon a family tree someone else made. We all need caution in using someone else's tree, rather than going through the research ourself - as you are doing here. "Marit Knutsdatter Klevesbrokn Rogne," with two farm names unsubstantiated, and a birth in Sør-Trøndelag rather than Oppland, to a father Knut who is not the same Knud as yours on Marit's marriage record - choosing that Marit has the feel of selecting off "someone else's tree." Reason I bring it up (and I can delete this comment, clear it out of your thread) is that in general you might want to comb through your tree and check it carefully. It is easy, once information is added, to move on and not look back at it.
Sorry....
I think in general it is hard to understand the place where a given event happens (I find it so, anyway) and whenever someone asks for a clarification, the forum members always seem to welcome that and are glad to help.
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CherylD
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 17/01/2015 : 01:43:33
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| Appreciate all your comments and will change the tree to reflect the research here . May take a little while as am not at home and working wuth an unfamiliar tablet for a week but can read and take notes. |
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