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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 25/09/2015 : 14:48:14
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Have just found a record that I haven't a clue as how to read. Gjest Olsen Øya was born about 1611. In the website I found it refers me to the following:
Source Information: Telemark county, Upper Telemark deanery, Lower Telemark deanery, Bamble deanery, Priest Census 12 (RA / EA 4070 / J / Yes / Jab / L0012), 1664-1666, gr: National Archives.
Notes: The parish priests census
Permanent page link: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/ft/35508/95/
Permanent image link: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-ft10051005123097.jpg
It appears to a correction of the original record. I can't even find his name or an age that might give me a clue. Hope someone can help me with this. Possibly highlight the record I should be seeing. Thanks very much for any help. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 16:04:45
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| The column heads are Gaarder (farm name), Opsidere (farm owner, tax payer), Sønner (sons on farm), tienste drenge (male employees), husmand og strandsitter (cotter and lessee) |
Edited by - jkmarler on 25/09/2015 16:07:26 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 16:22:49
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| Was the reference to this exact page or to a specific farm? |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 16:40:00
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it is the parish priest census from 1664, only men are mentioned.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 25/09/2015 16:48:09 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 16:57:50
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Originally posted by Kåarto
it is the parish priest census from 1664, only men are mentioned.
Kåre
Except for widows and/or women who own the farm.... |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 17:52:13
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Kåre - here is the reference I found.
Sogneprestenes manntall 1664-1666, bind 12: Øvre Telemark prosti, Nedre Telemark prosti, Bamble prosti. Solum prestegjeld 02.11.1664 side 163 ff. Øya.
I am not sure if that is what you are asking. Please let me know if you need more information. Thanks for your help. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 20:48:25
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| On the page you've linked to I do not find a farm named Øya, neither do I see a Gjest Olson aged about 53. There is in the Sønner column a boy named Girrt Hansen aged 12 but that appears to be the closest to my eye. Hopefully, a more skilled forumite will take a look and find for you. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 21:19:21
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quote:
Originally posted by SandraSeverson
Kåre - here is the reference I found.
Sogneprestenes manntall 1664-1666, bind 12: Øvre Telemark prosti, Nedre Telemark prosti, Bamble prosti. Solum prestegjeld 02.11.1664 side 163 ff. Øya.
I am not sure if that is what you are asking. Please let me know if you need more information. Thanks for your help.
You are right,
The parish priest "mantall" census for "Mand kiønd" Males, Solum parish Nov. 2. 1664 |
Edited by - Kåarto on 26/09/2015 20:08:20 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/09/2015 : 22:50:18
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I wonder if this is the right page.
I can not find any Gjest/Giest Olsen Øya
I guess he was an "opsidder" on Øya.
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eibache
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Posted - 26/09/2015 : 08:35:43
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See top record on right page.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/09/2015 : 10:13:57
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Originally posted by eibache
See top record on right page.
Good finding Einar.
Dif. to read.
"Gaarder" Farms and "Opsidere" User of the farm
Øya skylder? 4 huder (tax base, debt to other owners, value of 4 hides) Giest 54 aar bruger? 4 huder.
3. column
Sønner (Sons) Reyer Giestsen -25 aar (age 25) and Jon Giestsen -24 aar.
4. Column
"Tiensetedrenge (servants/farmhands) Peder 24 and Andreas 14
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"Husmend" Cottagers.
Oluff -40 and Mikal? -22
Opsider was used on Farmowners and Leaseholders in the 1600 censuses. It was the person who used/cultivated the farm, it could be several partowners of the farm.
It looks like Giest owned half of Øya and paid rent to the other owners for the value of 4 hides, but cultivated the whole farm.
The payment was normally in products from the farm within Christmas
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/09/2015 18:24:39 |
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eibache
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Posted - 26/09/2015 : 11:34:27
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This is said about Gjest and the farm Øya:
Gjest har teke over garden [Øya] etter faren og er i 1661 nemnd som brukar av heile garden som skylder 4 huder, der Lagmann Nils Hansens arvingar i Kristiania eigde 2 huder med bygsel, Holla kyrkje og Helgja kyrkje kvar 1 hud. Her var då noko skog til bjelkar og spirer, og ei bekkekvern til husbruk. Gjest var i 1672 rekna for 2 huder avdi han var postbonde og betalar 4 rdl. i leiglendingskatt. Peder Jensen, borgarmeister i Skien har 2 huder og Helgja kyrkje er lotteigar.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/09/2015 : 20:32:53
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Interesting Einar, besides that Giest in 1772 was a farmer he also delivered post (Post farmer) probably in parts of Telemark.
Because of that the tax "Leilendingskatt" on Øya was redused with 50 %, he now paid tax for 2 hides (total 4 Riksdaler)
"Leilendingskatt" Laseholder-tax, a misleading name, was the main tax for both leaseholders and ordinary farmers on any land they cultivated
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/09/2015 20:33:39 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 28/09/2015 : 13:35:29
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| Thanks for all the information. Certainly gives me a lot to look at. Appreciate all the help |
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