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Fentart
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 Posted - 15/02/2016 : 19:43:10
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I am researching 3 ancestors:
(#1) Peder Harboe Hertzberg (b. Kvinnherad, 15.7.1824; d. Kristiania, 24.1.1897), son of Peder Harboe Hertzberg (b.1.5.1775; d.27.10.1830) and his 2nd wife Hennige Dahl (b.1.5.1789; d.15.11.1874); #1 graduated 1844 from the Krigsscole, rose through the ranks to become Chief Engineer of the Norwegian Army;
(#2) his wife Anne Severine Lund (b. Farsund, 7.5.1827; d. Kristiania, 10.1.1918), 4th and last child of Jens Gabriel Michael Lund (b.c.1792; d.1843), a ship captain, and his wife (and cousin) Anna Margrethe Lund (b.2.1804; d.10.1862); and
(#3) their 2nd child Anton Lund Hertzberg (b. Horten, 30.4.1855; d. Toronto, 31.1.1920) who emigrated to Canada in May 1880.
#1 and #2 were married 17.5.1853 in Laerdal and had three other children:
Hennige Dorthea b. Horten, 4.4.1854; d. 8.2.1923
Halfdan b. K’ia, 7.2.1857; d. Stavanger, 5.7.1890
Bergliot b. K’ia, 10.5.1859; d. Oslo, 1.2.1930
Can anyone offer advice or help finding:
(a) the house(s) in Farsund in which #2 was born and/or lived
(b) marriage registration for #1 and #2 in Laerdal (were they married on the same day as #2’s elder sister Elisabeth was married to lensmann Johannes Frisak?)
(c) obituaries in K’ia newspapers for both #1 and #2
(d) burial locations in K’ia for both #1 and #2
(e) probated wills for #1 and #2
(f) actual date of emigration for #3, name of ship(s), route by which he travelled, date of arrival in Canada (if he went direct)
(g) military records for #1 (are these kept at the National Archives?)
(h) school records for #3 (family records indicate “Göteborg høiskole”: does that mean Gothenberg University in Sweden?)
Thank you very much in advance, for any guidance you can provide.
Fentart
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eibache
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 20:06:15
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(a) the house(s) in Farsund in which #2 was born and/or lived
The baptismal record for Anne Severine is #8 on the right page. |
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eibache
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 20:26:39
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Marriage registration for #1 and #2 in Laerdal (were they married on the same day as #2’s elder sister Elisabeth was married to lensmann Johannes Frisak?)
The record for their marriage is #8.
Peder Harboe Hertzberg was then a lieutenant, his father was Vicar Peder Harbo Hertzberg.
The bride is here said to be Anna Severine Lund, daughter of ships captain Jens G Lund.
Elisabeth Lund and Johannes Frisak were married Febr 3 1847 in Fredrikstad, see #1.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/02/2016 08:52:02 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 22:21:22
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They are both buried at the closed military graveyard Krist kirkegård in Oslo. |
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AntonH
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 23:41:52
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#1 Peter's "mini" estate record #228:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Dødsfallsprotokoll A 17 , 1895-1897, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27264/278/
There are two addresses mentioned in this record. For Peter's death at Kolbjørnsensgade No. 2 and for the reporter of the death and family information Hjelnes Gade No. 6. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 16/02/2016 15:21:06 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 00:27:15
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A traveler named M A Hertsberg, age 25, went to Quebec, departing Kristiania 21 May 1880 on the ship Angelo. His occupation was ingenior.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000936161
Nice find Jane. His arrival is tough to find, but searching for the passenger next to him in your posting , I find both S. Kjelland and M. A. Hertzberg on this ship.
Mr S Kjelland
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Mr S Kjelland
Gender: Male
Date of Arrival: 7 Jun 1880
Vessel: Polynesian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Polynesian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Now I need to find how Ancestry.com transcribed him.
Looking at the original manifest, the H in his name looks a little like a K so searching under Kert* turns him up.
Mr A Kertzberg
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Mr A Kertzberg
Gender: Male
Date of Arrival: 7 Jun 1880
Vessel: Polynesian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Polynesian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland |
Edited by - AntonH on 16/02/2016 00:35:09 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 03:12:10
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Nice, Anton! So M A Hertsberg is indeed Mr A Hertzberg (combinjng all the evidence).
So the trip is
Depart Christiania (=Oslo) 21 May 1880 on the Angelo
Depart Liverpool on the SS Polynesia
Arrive Quebec 07 June 1880
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_line.asp?ag=allan&ye=1880&sh=polyo
Good finds all around, actually, especially the images from jwiborg. |
Edited by - JaneC on 16/02/2016 23:14:56 |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 07:52:54
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School records for #3 (family records indicate “Göteborg høiskole”: does that mean Gothenberg University in Sweden?)
It was most likely Chalmers University of Technology.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/02/2016 08:51:08 |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 09:03:06
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The house(s) in Farsund in which #2 was born and/or lived
Could be the house Husan, originally a private residence, designed by and built for the founder of Farsund, Jochum Brinch Lund in 1801, for his two sons. Husan was rebuilt after a fire in 1940 and is currently Farsund municipality administration building.
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Several photos of Husan in Farsund.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/02/2016 13:25:11 |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 13:57:05
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Anna Severine Hertzberg in 1900 and in 1910.
Jacob Aalls gate 18 from 1910 does not exist today. |
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eibache
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 14:40:45
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The baptismal record for Peder Harboe Hertzberg is #72.
His parents are vicar Peder Harboe Hertzberg and Henninge Dorthea née Dahl.
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JaneC
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 16:49:14
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Originally posted by eibache
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School records for #3 (family records indicate “Göteborg høiskole”: does that mean Gothenberg University in Sweden?)
It was most likely Chalmers University of Technology.
According to online information, the school evolved over the years. From 1829-1882, it was Chalmersska slöjdskolan.
I think of a høiskole as a technical school where students board - a Scandinavian innovation in education in the nineteen century.Not what we think of as a multi-department university today offering a broad liberal arts curriculum.
But maybe Einar or others know more, what kind of school this was ca 1875.
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eibache
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 20:31:15
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From Chalmers history:
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But maybe Einar or others know more, what kind of school this was ca 1875.
I am afraid that I have to rely on the historical facts:
"Polar explorer Adolf Nordenskiöld was the 1870 teacher of mineralogy at Technological Institute in Stockholm. He was for a time also a member of Parliament, and suggested in 1872 that a new higher education institution was established in Stockholm with three compartments, one technical. The bill aroused intense debate for and against, but the 1876 Parliament decided to convert the Technological Institute to a technical college.
At this time was also the manager of the Chalmers Arts and Crafts School, Eduard von Schoultz, member of the parliamentary second chamber. A proposal to also transform Chalmersska Craft School into a technical college was not adopted, even if the training essentially corresponded to the Technological Institute. Chalmers would have to wait for over 60 years."
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Edited by - eibache on 16/02/2016 20:34:39 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 20:47:56
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Anton Lund Hertzberg (1855-1920) |
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Hertzberg and Lund families
