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kevinjewell
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 Posted - 22/10/2016 : 23:29:21
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My great grandfather, who was called Andrew Jewell in the US, was born in 1835 in Norway, and came to the US in 1852. He was a sail-maker and jumped ship in New York harbor at the age of 16. I suspect that he was baptized Anders Juelsson, because his parents were named Julius and Antonette/Antoinette. He might, however, have had another version of the patronymic: Juhlsen, Juulsen, Juelsen, etc. or possibly be from the Juel or Juell families which exist in Norway, although I've read their two printed genealogies and not found him there (although the people in photos in the more modern one strongly resemble me and other family members).
His parents names, in combination, are pretty uncommon for the time period, yet I have not been able to find a birth record. Digitalarkivet has not been a great help, since I don't know the parish name. I've also searched in Sweden, since my Y-DNA matches fall along both sides of the border, but no luck there either.
I would appreciate any suggestions as to how else to proceed as to a birth record, and also any suggestions as to how to find records of the (presumably merchant) ship he came to the US on. 18th century NY sources indicate that he would have been among the very first Norwegians in NYC, but he married into an Irish Catholic family, and does not appear to have been involved in Norwegian-American Lutheran activities in Manhattan or Brooklyn.
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Edited by - kevinjewell on 22/10/2016 23:31:23 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/10/2016 : 23:39:35
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Interesting query.
Could you fill out some more info about him in the US?
- Any known siblings or family, besides parents, either in Norway or the US?
- Where in America did he live?
. Name of wife and children?
- Links to any US census?
Edit: Found him in Census-1860, Census-1870, Census-1880, Census-1900, Census-1905 and Census-1910. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/10/2016 18:52:52 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 00:47:28
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Collect all the information you can from US sources, is the advice that Jan is giving you.
Your Andrew in 1900 census, date of migration is 1852 and date of birth as November 1836. Likely there will be some variations between all the census years.
Andrew's obituary doesn't contain a lot of biographical info. Just that he was from Norway and survived by wife and 5 children (who are named) and that he lived in this city (probably Brooklyn) for 65 years.
Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Tuesday May 16, 1916 pg 12 col 7
You can search and read the obit and a few other stories about Andrew Jewell at this site: http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html |
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/10/2016 04:45:51 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 01:22:33
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Juliusen for a patronymic in Norway is fairly rare. Here are all the males with this spelling of Julius* and birth years in the 1830s found in the advanced search at the Digitalarkivet. It can't help you with your Andrew directly but maybe there's a sibling or cousin or some such in the list and it gives a parish name.
Carl Juliussen 1839*Horten Logerende ug Postbud Christiania: damstrædet 31.12.1865 Folketelling 1865 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
Hans Juliussen Dahl 183 Skjeberg s Skjeberg: Julius Dahl Døle
01.01.1891 Folketelling 1891 for 0115 Skjeberg herred
he comes off the list because his birthdate considering his father's age in the actual transcription means that Hans' birthyear is likely 1883
Lars Andreas Juliussen 1839 Kragerø Sagfører Ugift Krambodgade 4 04.03.1882 avdød Ministerialbok for Trondheim prestegjeld, Domkirken sokn 1877-1891 (1601M2)
Lars Andreas Juliussen 1838 Skaadø Annex i Sandøkedal
Logerende ug Sagfører Kragerø: Hovedbyen 31.12.1875
Folketelling 1875 for 0801P Kragerø prestegjeld
Olaves Jens Juliussen 05.01.1838 Enerhougen 1853 innflyttar
Ministerialbok for Jevnaker prestegjeld 1837-1857 (0532P)
Enok M. Juliussen 1831*Øksnæs Pgjd.Logerende g Fisker
Øksnæs: Bjørnerøen 31.12.1865
Folketelling 1865 for 1868P Øksnes prestegjeld
Jakob Andreas Juliussen 1830Øksnæs S. P. hf g Fisker, Husmand Jord Øksnes: Sunderø (Tusten)
31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 1868P Øksnes prestegjeld
Jens Julius 1831* Hadsels P. hf g Husmand uden Jord %Fisker% Hadsel: Strømstad* 31.12.1865 folketelt
Folketelling 1865 for 1866P Hadsel prestegjeld
A couple of the other spellings you mentioned are far more common among men born in the 1830s. There were 78 whose last name started Jue* and 61 whose last name started with Juu*. A large number of these men had maritime occupations but only found one with sail making as an occupation:
Nils Christian Juel 1832* Seilmagermester, ugift Sygehuset, Bopel Nygaard 06.10.1876 avdød Ministerialbok for Stiftelsespresten prestegjeld 1874-1886 (1301E4) Stiftelsespresten is located in Bergen. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/10/2016 01:19:44 |
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 11:33:19
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is a couple who have the first name containing Julius and Antonette of such an age that they could have had a child in the mid-1830s living in Drammen Norway in 1865 :
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038080004581
Freidrich Julius dies in 1866. You could follow up with a search for an estate record for him in which surviving relatives would be named:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/267/pg00000000594694
Ungkarl, kjøbmand (bachelor, grocer) Frederich Julius Wølner (26) and Jomfru (virgin) Antonette Catharine Holst (21) married 20 Aug 1837,
Good possiblity, but being named virgin, I doubt she had any children prior to the marriage... |
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/10/2016 11:34:34 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 13:53:34
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Being a sail-maker, he must originate from the Norwegian coast, presumably the southern or west coast.
In 1865; 90% of all sailmakers in Norway lived in these 27 parish'es:
Østfold- Halden
- Fredrikstad
- Tune
- Glemming
Oslo
Buskerud
Vestfold- Horten
- Tønsberg
- Sandefjord
- Sem
Telemark
Aust-Agder- Tvedestrand
- Arendal
- Grimstad
- Østre Moland
- Øyestad
- Fjære
Vest-Agder- Kristiansand
- Mandal
- Flekkefjord
Rogaland- Egersund
- Stavanger
- Haugesund
Møre og Romsdal
Sør-Trøndelag
Counties with the most sail-makers in 1865:
1. Aust-Agder
2. Rogaland
3. Vestfold
4. Vest-Agder
5. Telemark
6. Buskerud
7. Sør-Trøndelag
8. Østfold
9. Oslo
10.Møre og Romsdal |
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/10/2016 14:28:36 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 17:09:32
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There are various birth dates and years and even places for him available.
Here it is given as 3 Nov 1839
Andrew Jeweles
in the U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: Andrew Jeweles
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1839
Birth Place: Scandinavia
Age at event: 61
Court District: New York
Year of Arrival: 1852
Date of Action: 6 Aug 1901
Arrival date is given as Mar, 1852, Occupation is Watchman |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/10/2016 17:17:36 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 17:16:59
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I wonder if he really was born in Norway. In the 1870 Census that Jan Peter posted he is listed as born in Prussia. In this one from 1860 he is listed as being born in Ireland?
Auda Jwelles
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Auda Jwelles
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ireland
Home in 1860: New York Ward 7 District 1, New York, New York
Post Office: New York
Family Number: 929
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Auda Jwelles 25
Bridget Jwelles 23
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jwiborg
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 18:52:29
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Good find, Anton!
For the record, I updated the list of census'es in my first reply.
So we are left with this:
Census-1860: Andw Jewelles 1835 Ireland
Census-1870: Andrew Jewels 1830 Prussia
Census-1880: Andrew Jewells 1835 Sweden
Census-1900: Andrew Jewel Nov 1836 Norway
Census-1905: Andrew Jewell 1835 Ireland
Census-1910: Andrew Jewell 1834 Norway
Prussia is strange. No others on the same page have that origin.
Officially, Sweden ruled Norway in the 1800's, which can explain the Swedish entry in 1880.
The irish entry could be explained by his spouse' origin.
Newer census'es are more reliable, so I don't think we need to doubt the scandinavian connection.
I wonder what the source for his parents being named Julius and Antonette/Antoinette are? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/10/2016 19:12:35 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 19:11:27
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Andrew's obit (and other news articles as well) describe his national origin as Norway.
Question for the Original Poster:
What is the source for Andrew Jewell's parents's names?
After looking at the newspaper sites, I wonder about the origin of the Jewell last name. In many issues of the Brooklyn Daily Eagle there were notices about "Jewell's Wharf" from the 1860's -1890's. Maybe that name was taken from a place or person over here rather than something he carried with him from Norway. Something to ponder.
I posed my question without reading Jan's last, sorry for the cross up. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/10/2016 20:21:51 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 22:21:33
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Ungkarl, kjøbmand (bachelor, grocer) Frederich Julius Wølner (26) and Jomfru (virgin) Antonette Catharine Holst (21) married 20 Aug 1837,
Good possiblity, but being named virgin, I doubt she had any children prior to the marriage...
If his birth year was actually 3 Nov 1839 they are a possibility
No children listed in the 1865 Census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0602&kenr=0309&bnr=0309&lnr=000 |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/10/2016 16:31:38 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:02:27
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Just a wild shot, but my gut feeling (based on names, occupation and time of emigration) is that Andrew Jewell's origin could be found near the Horten - Tønsberg - Sandefjord area of Vestfold, Norway, possibly also Drammen/Bragenes of Buskerud.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:22:31
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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Ungkarl, kjøbmand (bachelor, grocer) Frederich Julius Wølner (26) and Jomfru (virgin) Antonette Catharine Holst (21) married 20 Aug 1837,
Good possiblity, but being named virgin, I doubt she had any children prior to the marriage...
If his birth year was actually 3 Nov 1939 they are a possibility
No children listed in the 1865 Census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0602&kenr=0309&bnr=0309&lnr=000
Somebody else may check me, I looked and didn't see any children for the couple in the 1830s. The two big parishes in Drammen are Bragernes and Strømso and I found none in either. There are people whose last name is Juel in the 1865 census in Drammen.... |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:25:31
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jkmarler
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Help concerning Anders Juelsson/Juell
