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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 30/12/2016 : 15:54:52
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| Nice finds. |
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audreylosey
Starting member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2016 : 16:12:11
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| Wow! This is all so amazing! And so quick!! I am anxious to start diving into this further. The information we had indicated that they arrived to the US so we assumed Ellis Island, and knew that all earlier records had burned. It is interesting to learn that they actually arrived in Quebec. I am sure I will have more questions once I have reviewed all of this and added information to our family tree. Thank you all! |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/12/2016 : 17:44:19
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All earlier (prior to opening of Ellis Island in 1892) passenger arrival records did NOT burn, that is bad information. There were/are a number of different arrival ports for the US. The most common in the New York/New Jersey immediate area before 1892 was Castle Garden. But such ports as Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, etc. are also preserved.
The US National Archives has a comprehensive list of records from the water or land border ports which have been preserved and advice on locations and websites where some of those can be used.
https://www.archives.gov/research/immigration
https://www.archives.gov/research/immigration/passenger-arrival.html
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audreylosey
Starting member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2017 : 16:43:41
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Einer -
In one of your posts you used the words 'Quisla under Askilt'. My mom is wondering if Quisla is the word 'skweesla' she have heard since a child in connection with grandfather Hans. If so, what is it's meaning? Am anxious to know. This would solve a long standing mystery - as I often heard that this was Hans original last name and the immigration officials couldn't spell it, so he chose Kittelson instead. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2017 : 18:59:07
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Originally posted by audreylosey
My mom is wondering if Quisla is the word 'skweesla'.... I often heard that this was Hans original last name and the immigration officials couldn't spell it, so he chose Kittelson instead.
To add a bit, yes, Hans may have been called Hans Qvisla in Norway. That is wonderful, that in your family you've heard that farm name spoken - tying you to Hans's history.
In the 1865 census, look to lower left for "bostadsnavn" = residence name. The family is living at Kvisla, an alternate spelling of the same farm name. In the modern-day map posted by eibache, below, the name is rendered as Skvisla.
Larger farms were often sub-divided, and apparently Kvisla was a smaller section of a larger farm.
A first name and patronym were lifelong names: Hans Kittelsen (= Hans, the son of Kittel).
A farm address was often added to clarify (Hans Kittelsen who lives at Kvisla) = Hans Kittelsen Kvisla.
He could be called Hans Kittelsen, Hans Kittelsen Kvisla, or Hans Kvisla.
The farm address changed when the person moved. It was more like a nickname, not truly his name.
In America immigrants chose one permanent, American-style surname. Some used a farm name. Hans chose to use his patronym Kittelsen.
Notice that Mike Oiseth has drawn on church records in Dodge county for his information. Apparently he must have found Hans noted as Hans Kittelsen Kaasa, because that is the name Oiseth uses in his database. This suggests Hans lived at Kaasa, and again, it is normal for more than one farm address to apply to a person over a lifetime.
In any case, your family story suggests Hans found that Americans struggled with spelling his farm name. Often times immigrants did not immediately drop their old sense of what their "name" was. Seemingly Hans did as almost all immigrants did - used both patronymic name and farm address for a time in America, before settling on "Kittelsen."
We could look at the church records for Hans in Dodge county, to double check the inference I am drawing about "Kaasa" being included in Mike Oiseth's database. Alternately, Mike may have seen the farm name Kaasa following Gunhild's name and (mistakenly) concluded that farm address belonged to both Hans and Gunhild.
In the marriage record for Hans and Gunhild, I see no farm name. The record does note that Hans was born in Bø and Gunhild was born in Saude, and says they went to America.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/01/2017 : 22:45:10
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The 1865 census confirm that Hans and his parents were at Kvisla, a cotters place under Askilt link.
Askilt and Skvisla (Skweesla) in the map.
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Edited by - eibache on 02/01/2017 09:20:19 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2017 : 10:03:39
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Torsten Torstensen and Gunnil Danielsdatter were married Nov 18 1847, see #17.
Torsten was 30 years old, born at Kaasa in Næs, and his father was Torsten Torstensen.
Gunnil was 28 years old, born at Flaaterud, and her father was Daniel Bjørnsen.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2017 : 10:06:34
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Gunnild was born Sept 12 1819, see #37.
Her parents were Daniel Bjørnsen and Gunne Sigurdsdatter, Flaaterud. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2017 : 10:55:29
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Most likely the age given for Torsten Torstensen when he married was wrong.
He was said to be born at Kaasa in Næs and his father was Torsten Torstensen. The only Tosten Tostensen born at Kaasa is the one born Aug 8 1821, see confirmation record #8.
His parents were Tosten Tostensen and Gunnild Rollefsdatter.
The baptismal record is #54.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2017 : 11:11:24
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Tosten Tostensen and Gunnild Rollevsdatter were married June 14 1821, see #17.
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audreylosey
Starting member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2017 : 21:42:43
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| I am within a week of my trip to Norway and so excited! I am trying to find out if Hans Kittelson had any siblings? We know that his parents were Kittel Holgeson and Margith Hansdatter and that Hans was born in Bo, but have been unable to determine if Hans had any siblings?? Any help is much appreciated! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2017 : 22:32:24
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Based on the Ancestry.com data base for Norwegian Baptism data it does not look very hopeful. The only record I found when i searched for baptism with father Kit* and mother Mar* child born 1840 plus/minus 10 years in Bø turns up only one record with the correct parents of Kittel holgesen and Magith Hansdatter. That is the one for your Hans.
Hans Kittilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hans Kittilsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 sep 1840
Baptism Date: 10 okt 1840 (10 Oct 1840)
Baptism Place: Bo, Telemark, Norway
Father: Kittil Holgesen
Mother: Margith Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 278270
Reference ID: 2:1SNZLV7 |
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audreylosey
Starting member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2017 : 22:37:10
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| Thank you! We are planning to visit Bo on our trip. Are there any places that we could visit to try and find more information? |
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Kittelson/Torstenson origin
