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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 15/12/2017 : 01:37:52
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It was a reach at the time I first posted it. However at that time we did not know nearly as much about the family as we do now. With the various trees, records from Digitalakviet and Ancestry.com as well as the out-migration record on Thor and Anne in 1822 the connection is starting to look very plausible. Their first child (died young) was born in 1828 in Stavanger.
It would be interesting to see what the Bygdebøker that Hansen mentioned in his post has to say about the family. I will ask my friend at the UND Library to see what he can find. |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/12/2017 01:41:49 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/12/2017 : 02:12:25
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Thor Larsen was confirmed in 1814 as Thor Larsen Hovland. Hovland is a farm in Fitjar sub-parish, Stord parish.
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It is much more difficult to determine who is Anna Tomasdatter. The two most likely candidates are
Name: Anna Tomasdatter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 8 nov 1795
Baptism Place: Stord, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Tomas Olsen Dahlen
FHL Film Number: 124696
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1801
Name: Anna Tomasdatter
[Anna Tranøen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 4 mar 1797
Baptism Place: Stord, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Tomas Tranøen
FHL Film Number: 124696
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ROBJE
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Posted - 15/12/2017 : 15:19:14
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Based only on their departure record for Stavanger that you found, I'd lean towards Candidate Number One, though I know birth-dates and ages were often muddled a mite back in the day.
I'd search for a marriage record to clarify, but am embarrassed that you've likely exhausted that possibility already.
Good stuff, lyndal. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/12/2017 : 17:15:28
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As I mentioned above, I emailed the Research Librarian at the University of North Dakota a summary of what we know about the Thor Larsen Hageberg family. He found the family in the Fitjar Bygdebok and probably confirms what we suspected from the emigration record. Here is the information from:
Fitjar bygdebok,
by Simon Steinsbø
Leigebuarar
39. Tor Larsson Hageberg (17), f. 1796. G.m. Anna Tomasdtr. Engjavik, midtre (5) f. 1793 .
Kjende born
a. Lars f. og d. 1819.
b. Peder. f. 1822.
Dei flytta til Stavanger
Original record for Peder b 1822
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Lars was actually born in 1820
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ROBJE
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Posted - 15/12/2017 : 19:02:30
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Truly excellent, you scholarly rascal you.
In one swell foop, you've taken me all the way back from my initial g-g-granny Berte Marie to her definite great grandparents Cecile Börtveit (1737) and Thor Hansen (1723) and their entire Börtveit farm clan. I may even be able to make that DNA connection now.
Give you another hour or so, and you'll have my ancestors landing at L'anse-aux-meadows in circa 1000 AD.
Astounding, lyndal. I am indebted to you and this forum.
- Robert |
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ROBJE
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Posted - 15/12/2017 : 19:20:34
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...apologies...I understated your feat.
Going back, I see you've actually brought it back further, to Cecile's daddy Baltzer Harvolsen (1698).
I swoon. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/12/2017 : 20:42:29
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And a solution for Anna Tomasdatter. She is neither of the two I posted above. But rather the daughter of Tomas Taraldsen and Britte Pedersdatter and yes born in 1793. I had Michael from UND Library go back and follow the ancestors of both Thor and Anna and low and behold we can now trace the ancestors of Anna. Here is the family in the 1801 Census.
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In her baptism record the father is listed as Thomas Mid-Engevigen.Found middle of left page
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Baptism date is given as 1 April 1793 from this record
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This must be the marriage record for Tomas Taraldsen and Britte Pedersdatter
Thomas Taraldsen Lande
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Thomas Taraldsen Lande
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 jul 1781
Marriage Place: Stord, Hordaland, Norway
Spouse: Britte Pedersdatter Helleland
FHL Film Number: 124696
Original record near bottom right hand page
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Based on what we know so far I would think this is the baptism record for Tomas.
Thomas Taraldsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Thomas Taraldsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 mar 1750
Baptism Place: Stord, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Tarald Lande
FHL Film Number: 124696
Same info from Digitalarkivet
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Original record first entry right hand page
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Tarald Lande died in 1787 last entry bottom of left hand page
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Tarald Nielsen Lande married Giertrud Mognsdatter on Aug 1, 1745, middle left page
Linnk
And as usual we are far enough back in time to pick up a Geni.com tree for Tomas Taraldson Engevik (Landa)
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/12/2017 : 23:00:25
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From
Fitjar Bygdebok
Band II
Gards og ættesoge
Simon Steinsbø
Hageberg
11. Johannes Larsson Holland (10), d. 57 år gl. i 1778. G.m. Mari Nilsdtr.
Born:
Kari, f. 1752 g. Hgeberg (38)
Lars f. 1754, g. Hagebeg (170
Helga f. 1759 d. liten
Helga f. 1761 d. før mora.
Anna f. 1763, g. Sætravik (18)
Nils, f. 1764, d. før faren.
Mari oppattg. med Endre L. Rimbaroed (107)
Johannes and Mari were married Aug 8,1751 (Dom 9 p Trin)
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Lars was baptized Nov 21, 1754
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17. Lars Johannesson Hageberg (11) f. 1754, d. 1800. G.m. Sissela Torsdtr. Bortveit, Stord f. 1762.
Mari, f. 1782.
Johannes. f. 1784, g. Vistvik (22)
Mari, f. 1787, f. Hageberg (19)
Sissela, f. 1790, g. Rimbareid (94)
Brita, f. 1793, g. Fitjar (88)
Tor, f. 1796, g. Hageberg (39)
Nis, f, 1799,g. Blænes, Austevoll
Sissela vart oppatig. med Guttorm O. Hageberg (18)
Lars and Sissela were married June 30, 1782
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Thor was baptized Jan 24, 1796
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/12/2017 : 23:06:51
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From
Fitjar Bygdebok
Band II
Gards og ættesoge
Simon Steinsbø
Engjavikjo midtre
5. Tomas Taraldson Landa (40), f. 1750, d. 1838. G.m. Britta Pedersdtr. Helland (17), f. 1754, d. 1836
Born:
a)Tarald f. 1782, d. i Kobenhaven i 1812
b) Peder f. 1783, d. 1810
c) Kristoffer, f. 1785, g. Engjavikjo midtre (6)
d) Fjertrud, f. 1787. “Halt paa begge Ben” Umyndiggjort i 1838. Hengde seg i 18557
e) Nils, f. 1789, g. Engjavikjo, nordre (39)
f) Mons, f. 1791, d. 1802
g) Anna f. 1793, g. Hageberg (39)
h) Brita, f. 1796. g. Vistvikjo (12)
i) Ola, f. 1800, g. Håland, Tysnes
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ROBJE
Medium member
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Posted - 22/12/2017 : 02:45:45
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You are a terrier: catch a whiff of a morsel and you keep digging and digging and digging.
Jumping Jehosophat, lyndal. Unasked, you're offering up a novel here: a sprawling saga with intrigue, tragedy, and mystery.
I am bewildered and awestruck.
Please let me take my rust-encrusted Norwegian and holiday-prep-dizziness to this marvelous cache of data. I am impulsively struck with my historical/geographical dumb stick.
Copenhagen?
What by the bristling beard of Odin are residents of a barren farming island in the fjords of South-Western Norway doing cavorting with Danes in the late 18th century?
Huh?
And I cannot comprehend the meaning of "vart oppatig med...."
The rest of your nuggets will take up my holidays. And I'm grateful....it'd otherwise be a mite lonely at times.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/12/2017 : 03:31:26
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"vart oppatig med" Mari was engaged to Endre is my best guess as to a literal translation. Maybe some of the Norwegians can tell us why the use of oppatig and not trolove.
Lnk
Engaged Sept 30, 1781. The October is crossed out and September written in at Dom 16 p Trin
Original record right hand page middle
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They were married Sept 1, 1782, a little hard to find but look right hand page middle
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kariellen
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Posted - 22/12/2017 : 10:10:36
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" Mari oppattg. med Endre L. Rimbaroed"
Oppat is a dialect word for "again". The word is oppatgift, remarried, in the bygdebok shortened to oppatg.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/12/2017 : 10:36:34
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Copenhagen?
What by the bristling beard of Odin are residents of a barren farming island in the fjords of South-Western Norway doing cavorting with Danes in the late 18th century?
A brief history of Norway and the Scandinavian countries should explain quite well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Norway#Denmark%E2%80%93Norway
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/12/2017 : 02:34:17
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A word of warning should go along with alll of the online tree links that I have posted for your. There will be mistake in those trees as you probably know and expect. Here is one.
The brother of Britta is named Thomas Thorsen and he and his wife Johanna Rasmussdatter had a set of twins Rasmus and Gurine born Feb 13, 1863 and baptized March 15, 1863. For some reason the tree gives the birth date for Gurine as January 13, 1863. A small error but somewhat confusing.
Geni.com
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This family in the 1865 Norwegian Census.
1865
I also noticed in the Geni.com tree a early Britta Maria born to Thor Larsen and Anna Thomasdatter. She was born Sept 2, 1824 but in the parish of Tysvær, Rogaland.
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Might need to prove this one. |
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Oh no...he's baaack
