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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 19/07/2018 : 21:45:13
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A description here, telling what became of Setersdal Lutheran cemetery:
http://polk.mngenweb.net/cemetery/setersdal_cem.htm
Lynn - as far as I found, Find-a-Grave does not list the specific graves being sought, and if you found them, please post them.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/07/2018 : 22:06:00
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Interesting article Jane, I noticed that the article refers to Sjodt Grundeson and wife Ragnild, in second paragraph discussing some early pioneers. That has to be Ljodt Grundesen and wife Ragnild.
"Some of the early pioneers who had services preformed at Setersdal and their names appear in the church records are Halvor Halvorson, Thor O. Vigen and wife Anne, Knud O. Ose, Aslak Torkeldson and wife Bergit, Knud Johnson, Talak Knudson, Ole Torkeldson and wife Anne, Ole K. Ose, Ole Arneson, Knud Aase, Sjodt Grundeson and wife Ragnild, Gunder Bjornson and wife Signe, and many more."
Also in the article
"The church records also list the deaths of--
Sjotsdatter, Ingeberg
age 5 years"
So maybe as Jackie has suggested the two Ljot and daughter Ingeborg died earlier and were buried followed by a burial ceremony several years later. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/07/2018 : 22:54:30
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maybellemn.
I have to say I think your father was correct. There are two separate families that have such similar names through the generations that keeping them straight is a very difficult task. The only real way of doing that is to follow the birth years. The two families end up being related by the marriage of the two brothers Ljot Ljotson and Grundy L Grundyson to two women, one from each of the two Grundeson families. Here is a chart of each of the Families.
The One Family
Grunde Gunnsteinson Skjevrak b 1658 wife is Mari Svenkesdatter Skjevrak
Olav Grundesen Austad b 1695 wife is Tore Halvorsdatter
Grunde Olavssen Austad b 1734 wife is Birgit Lijølsdatter Heiland
Olav Grundessen Austad b 1783 wife is Dortei Gunnarsdatter Ose
Grunde Olavsson Austad b 1808 wife is Gunhild Grundesdatter
Olav Grundesen Hegland b 1833 wife is Ingeborg Guttormsdatter
Gunhild Olavsdatter Hegland b 1859 husband is Kittel Olavsen Skore
daughter is Tore Kittesdatter Skone b1888 US married Grundy L Grundyson b 1877
The Other Family
Olav Knutson Austad b 1669 wife is Mari Svenkesdatter Skjevrak
Grunde Olavsson Austad b 1705 wife is Birgit Bjørnsdatter
Olav Grundessen Austad b 1744 wife is Gunhild Gunsteinsdatter Kvipt
Grunde Olavsson Austad b 1781 wife is Signe Gunnarsdater
Olav Grundesen Austed b 1819 wife is Margit Tellefsdatter Langeid
Signe Olavsdatter Austad b 1848 husband is Knut Knutsen Hegland
daughter is Asbjørg Knutsdatter b 1879 US married Ljot Ljotson b 1883 US
Well I pushed the families back far enough in time that I did finally come to a common ancestor. The lady Mari Svenkesdatter Skjevrak was married twice. Once to one of the members of the First Family and then a second time to one of the members of the Second Family. But that occurred seven or so generations ago so for intents and purposes the family are separate. |
Edited by - AntonH on 20/07/2018 01:38:16 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/07/2018 : 23:01:31
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Here are some baptism records that may help keep the families separate.
Here is the Olav b 1833 from the first family
Ole Grundesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ole Grundesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 12 jan 1834
Baptism Place: Bygland,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Grunde Olsen
Mother: Gunnild Grundesdr
FHL Film Number: 123514
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Here is the Olav b 1819 from the second family
Ole Grundesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ole Grundesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 12 sep 1819
Baptism Place: Bygland,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Grunde Olesen
Mother: Signe Gundersdr
FHL Film Number: 123514
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Edited by - AntonH on 19/07/2018 23:51:05 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/07/2018 : 23:28:17
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And the baptism records to compare the Grunde's from each family.
First the Grunde born 1808 and from the First Family
Grunde Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Grunde Olsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 sep 1808
Baptism Place: Bygland,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Ole Grundesen
Mother: Daardi Gundersdr
FHL Film Number: 123512
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This Grunde was not yet born by the 1801 Census, nor were his parents married yet;
Here is the marriage record for this Grunde from the First Family
Ole Grundesen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926Name: Ole Grundesen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 16 jun 1804
Marriage Place: Bygland,Aust-Agder,Norway
Spouse: Dordie Gunderdr
FHL Film Number: 123512
The other Grunde born in 1781 from the Second Family
Grunde Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Grunde Olsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 apr 1781
Baptism Place: Austad,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Ole Oustad
FHL Film Number: 123512
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This Grunde and his family in the 1801 Census. This gives his mothers name as Gonil Gustensdatter.
1801 Census |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/07/2018 23:52:00 |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
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Posted - 19/07/2018 : 23:30:12
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| iwill post them i type with one finger not with ten fingers like you do |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 00:24:19
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Interesting article Jane, I noticed that the article refers to Sjodt Grundeson and wife Ragnild, in second paragraph discussing some early pioneers. That has to be Ljodt Grundesen and wife Ragnild.
Yes. The names in the article come from the church records, in which the name "Ljodt" can easily seem to be "Sjodt," as you demonstrated with the example posted.
Apparently the location of this old church in Polk county, Minnesota, was near to or within the current metropolitan area of Grand Forks, North Dakota.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_Township,_Polk_County,_Minnesota
Nice work, Anton, differentiating those hard-to-differentiate Norwegian families.
Lynn - thanks. |
Edited by - JaneC on 20/07/2018 00:29:44 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 02:23:03
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maybellemn
After having sorted out the two quite separate families that you can see above, I went back to your earlier post to revisit the relationship of Ljot Ljotssn b 1883 b to his wife Asbjør Knutsdatter Hegland b 1879. I found that the two come from the separate families shown above. Ljot Ljotsen b 1883 descendants from the Olav Grundessen Austad b 1783 wife is Dortei Gunnarsdatter Ose family which I labelled The First Family. Whereas Asbjør Knutsdatter Heiland b 1879 descends from the Olav Grundessen Austad b 1744 wife is Gunhild Gunsteinsdatter Kvipt family which I labelled The Second Family.
So the bottom line is they are not closely related. |
Edited by - AntonH on 20/07/2018 02:24:04 |
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maybellemn
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 03:36:03
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| ummmm I am still here and this is amazing and mind boggling for me! I work the next 3 days and will have to consider and figure out all of this. It is amazing how much you people have found out - I can't thank you enough! |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 04:55:30
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| seterdal lutheran cem is called Halvorson and vigen pioneer cem it doesnt mean if your;listed in the church death records your buried in the church cementary |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 05:02:20
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The following is from a local history book prepared by the Old Settlers Memorial Association and titled The Old Settlers Memorial Association Presents a Look into the Past (North Dakota County and Town Histories Collection, North Dakota State Library), 1964,
page 69:
"Ljot Grundeyson Austa was born in Satersdal, Norway, in 1840. His wife, Ragnhild, was born in this area in June 18, 1843. Mr. and Mrs. Grundeyson and two children came to America, first to Bygland Township, Polk County, Minnesota, in 1877, and then in 1878 he moved to North Dakota where he homesteaded in Bentru Township—SE/4 Sec. 8-148-49. Five children were born to Mr. and Mrs. Grundeyson and were: Ingabor, Gunhild, Grundey, Tarkel and Ljot. Mr. Grundeyson passed away in 1882. Mrs. Grundeyson died April 8, 1900."
link
The family burials at Rosendal Cemetery, Grand Forks, were mentioned earlier. For the record:
Find-a-Grave Memorial
Ragnil Grundeson
18 August 1843
8 April 1900
link
About the question of the cemetery name (raised in the previous post): Halvorsen and Vigen are the names on the only two headstones that remain of Setersdal cemetery. The former cemetery became farmland. Two headstones were salvaged and moved; the graves were not moved. (Source: see link above). In other words, there is no cemetery named Halvorsen and Vigen. Yes, a modern-day Find-a-Grave creator designated the two headstones that way, but that's doesn't make the designation a historical fact.
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 05:22:54
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| the third child gunil died after 1873 she died after ingeborg was born if she died before there would be no ingeborg |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 05:48:42
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| the third child gunil is gunnel on the 1880 census which lyndal posted |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 20/07/2018 : 20:28:29
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| maybellmn Giunhild Tollefson sep7 1869-jun24 1906 maiden name Grundyson buried thomson North dakota daughter ruth nelson1901-1994 buried grand forks co Nd |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 21/07/2018 : 03:47:02
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I've seen that phenom before in early Norwegian-American records. I think what it means is that at the time of the death, the family may not have been in a convenient spot for a funeral. When they got settled then they had a service. Notice the 10 or so burials all on the same day.
how would keep them preserved pickle them in alcohol if you didnt pickle them; in alcohol allyou would have is a skeiton |
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