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SvenOlsen
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 Posted - 19/01/2019 : 15:22:24
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| I've added in a lot of information to my MyHeritage family tree and i'm getting a lot of matches, both records and actual matches with people. The way downwards should be relatively easy now. I guess the focus now would be going up after his father. The name I have currently is Torje Tostensen and Anne Kirstine Olsdatter for his wife. I think you posted his marriage records with that name, so I suppose the name is Torje/Terje Tostensen/Thorstensen. |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2019 : 16:14:50
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This is what I have added so far, I figure it would be a good idea to let you guys know what you've helped achieve, plus perhaps you'll find more information.
Father: Johan Severin Olsen born on the 4th of August 1834
Mother: Tarjer Jørgensdatter born around 1835
Daughter: Amalie Serine Johansdatter born on the 9th of October 1861
Son: Ole Teodor Johansen born on the 8th of July 1863
Son: Jørgen Johansen born around 1864
Son: Bernt Severin Johansen born around 1867
Daughter: Anne Kirstine Johansdatter born around 1869
Son: Johan Taresius Johansen born on the 8th of September 1872
Daughter: Jørgine Olivia Johansdatter born on the 12th of May 1875
For those with a full birth date I either saw their names in a record with a full birth date and/or I got a match right away on MyHeritage, currently three of the childern are "unconfirmed" in that regard and I believe that Jørgen Johansen died young.
Father: Carl Kristian Olsen born on 5th of May 1837
Mother: Tarine Knudsdatter born around 1843
Daughter: Chirsten Helene Carlsdatter born around 1866
Son: Knud Carlsen born around 1869
Daughter: Anne Seselie Carlsdatter born around 1873
Son: Ole Severin Carlsen born on the 19th of August 1875
For those with a full birth date I either saw their names in a record with a full birth date and/or I got a match right away on MyHeritage, currently three of the childern are "unconfirmed" in that regard.
Anne Kirstine Olsdatter born on the 29th of September 1839. (I have a match for her with a husband and a lot of childern, have not yet added them in.)
Secilia Olsdatter born on 21th of October 1841. (Presumed to have died young as illustrated by the "dead" in her Norwegian birth record, do not have a date of death)
Father: Ole Andreas Olsen born on the 11th of November 1844
Mother: Tobine Kornelie Tønnesdatter born on the 14th of May 1844
Daughter: Johanne Teodre Olsdatter born on the 4th of September 1870
Daughter: Anna Olivia Olsdatter born on the 8th of November 1872
Son: Ole Theodor Olsen born on the 30th of June 1880
Son: Johan Severin Olsen born on the 28th of August 1884
Son: Tomas Georg Olsen born on the 28th of August 1884
I've learned that the spelling might be different in some of the names but this is what I have managed to find thanks to everyone that has helped so far. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 17:25:40
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Ancestry.com might help fill in the birth and baptism dates for you. Remember my comment about Ancestry and its problem trying to figure out the last name of the child.
For Johan and Tarjer
Name: Bernt Severin Johan Severinsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 15 okt 1867 (15 Oct 1867)
Baptism Date: 3 nov 1867
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Johan Severin Olsen
Mother: Tarjer Jorgensdr
Name: Jorgen Andreas Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 sep 1865
Baptism Date: 8 okt 1865 (8 Oct 1865)
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Johan Severin Olsen
Mother: Tarjer Jorgensdr
Name: Anne Kirstine Olsen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 6 mar 1870
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Johan Severin Olsen
Mother: Tarjer Jorgensdr
Birth date is Feb 14, a good one to try your Gothic reading skills on.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 17:30:57
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For Carl and Tarine
You are missing an early Ole Severin, probably means he died young.
Name: Ole Severin Carlsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 sep 1864
Baptism Date: 15 okt 1864 (15 Oct 1864)
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Carl Christian Olsen
Mother: Tarine Knudsdr
Name: Kirsten Helene Carlsdr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 21 nov 1866
Baptism Date: 16 des 1866 (16 Dec 1866)
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Carl Christian Olsen
Mother: Tarine Knudsdr
A little spelling change just to keep you awake
Name: Knud Karl Kristiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 aug 1869
Baptism Date: 15 aug 1869
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Karl Kristian Olsen
Mother: Tarine Knudsdr
Check the spelling in the original record for the spelling of the middle name
Name: Anne Leselie Olsen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 3 aug 1873
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Carl Christian Olsen
Mother: Torine Knudsdr
Birth date is July 17 and name hard to read. Gothic is a bit of a challenge.
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2019 : 19:23:38
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Ancestry.com might help fill in the birth and baptism dates for you. Remember my comment about Ancestry and its problem trying to figure out the last name of the child.
For Johan and Tarjer
Name: Bernt Severin Johan Severinsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 15 okt 1867 (15 Oct 1867)
Baptism Date: 3 nov 1867
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Johan Severin Olsen
Mother: Tarjer Jorgensdr
Name: Jorgen Andreas Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 sep 1865
Baptism Date: 8 okt 1865 (8 Oct 1865)
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Johan Severin Olsen
Mother: Tarjer Jorgensdr
Name: Anne Kirstine Olsen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 6 mar 1870
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Johan Severin Olsen
Mother: Tarjer Jorgensdr
Birth date is Feb 14, a good one to try your Gothic reading skills on.
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Why is his name "Bernt Severin Johan Severinsen" and not "Bernt Severin Johansen"? Isn't he supposed to take the name from his father directly and not the second name of his father? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 20:51:41
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The actual birth/baptismal records listed ONLY the child's given name(s). The person doing the indexing of the records is interpreting what the 'surname' is and often those volunteers doing that work did NOT really understand patronymic naming. That is probably why you find all those variations.
The Ancestry.com Norwegian birth databases were originally indexed by volunteers of the Mormon church and are included in their free FamilySearch.org website and a later agreement was reached to share that work with Ancestry.
The child "Bernt Severin" birth/baptismal record -- entry #94 on these pages -
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060207010104
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 21:23:42
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A nice explanation by Hopkins on why the names in Ancestry.com are really not the names the person in Norway might have used. In the 1875 Census also posted by Hopkins on the first page the son is using or is given the name Bernt Severin Johansen as you might have expected.
To find what name he might have used through his life you need to track him through various events. HIs marriage and the census records are probably most findable.
In the 1910 Census he is called Bernt Johansen.
1910
The last person on the list appears to be his mother. She was called Terjer Jørgensdatter on the 1875 Census but here she is called Terjer Olsen.
Her birth date is given in the 1910 Census as May 21, 1835 in Froland. Looking that up in the original records one finds a Tarjer baptism date June 8, 1835. The birth date looks to me a little hard to determine if it is 20 or 21 May.
Fourth record from the bottom right hand page
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Her parents are Jørgen Johnsen Bratteland and Anne Olsdatter.
Probably her sister born in 1829.
Name: Berthe Jørgensdatter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 16 apr 1829
Baptism Place: Den Norske kirke, Froland, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Jørgen Johnson Bratteland
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2019 : 23:56:40
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I guess the focus now would be going up after his father. The name I have currently is Torje Tostensen and Anne Kirstine Olsdatter for his wife. I think you posted his marriage records with that name, so I suppose the name is Torje/Terje Tostensen/Thorstensen.
Might be difficult but starting with the marriage record you might be able to put together a list of children.
Wedding first record right hand page
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There is a discussion on Slektforum about this family. In Norwegian of course but the basics are.
A couple Torsten Tojusen and his wife Asloug Andersdatter (1745 - 1835) lived at Hagestadeie in Holt in 1787, together with their two children Torje (1775 - 1841) and Anders (1776 - 1840) . Both sons lived at Vatnebu in Flosta where Torje eventually got a large family at Lønvik. One son was named Tosten Lind Terjesen (1798-1875).
Seems to correlate with parts of the Geni Tree you linked to.
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And a longer discussion at Arkiveverket
That one is long enough probably need some help with.
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Edited by - AntonH on 20/01/2019 00:50:04 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/01/2019 : 00:16:21
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Transcript of a probate protocol from Jan 2. 1842 on farm Vatnebu in Flosta .
Terje Torstensen +(dead)
Heirs;
- Torsten Lind Terjesen, of age, son (widow) Joron Saxesdatter
- Ole Terjesen, of age, son
- Peder Terjesen, of age, son
- Andreas Terjesen, of age, son
- Syver Terjesn under age son
- Allaug Terjesdatter married to Aasuld Tellefsen, Staubø
- Aslaug Helene Terjesdatter married to Lyder Gundersen, Borøen
Value in Daler: 296-0-19, Debt: 26-0-10 in farm Vatnebu Link
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/01/2019 : 00:30:51
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The marriage record says:
2. Torje Tostensen Hagen and the widow Ane Kirstine Olsdatter Jonteviigen?
9 April [1798] med forlovede Tosten Torgasen and Ole Olsen. Cop 24 June |
Edited by - jkmarler on 20/01/2019 00:53:28 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/01/2019 : 00:43:43
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#1 died 12 Mar 1841 buried 20 Mar 1841 Torge Thostensen Lønnevig un Vatneboe age 66 farmer from Vatneboe
SAK, Dypvåg sokneprestkontor, F/Fb/Fbb/L0001: Parish register (copy) no. B 1, 1816-1850, p. 116
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524320060
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/01/2019 : 00:51:24
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Here is a discussion, I have not worked through yet but could use another set of eyes.
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Never mind, it looks like a repeat of the discussion above when you get near the end.
Tosten Torjesen og hans hustru Asloug Andersdatter (1745-1835) bosatte seg på Hagestadeie i Holt i 1787, sammen med sine 2 sønner Torje (1775-1841) og Anders (1776-1840), men hvor kom de fra ? Begge sønnene bosatte seg på Vatnebu i Flosta, hvor Torje etterhvert fikk stor etterslekt på Lønvik, som benyttet etternavnet Terjesen, og senere Knudsen, Thorstensen og Lønvik. Terjesen etter Torjes sønn Tosten Lind Terjesen (1798-1875), og Thorstensen etter hans sønnesønn Knud Andreas Thorstensen (1832-1884).
However from the first discussion is this, which I have not been able to find in the original records. Did not look hard enough see below.
Tosten og Asloug `s vielse KB Vinje 1767-1814, side 32 på 1774 den 19 juli. Det står ikke noe om alder eller født hvor Crying or Very sad
De flyttet vel kanskje derfra til Hogestad?
Torje`s konfirm. KB Holt 1765-1798 , side 371 nr. 23.
Anders sin konf. finner jeg ikke, men kan ha oversett. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/01/2019 : 01:02:56
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It starts out with questions about the Knutsen and Knutsdatters on Vatnebu. Then they discuss a bit some of the other patronymics on Vatnebu. The Oddbjorn Johannesen posts links for family events in Vinje in Telemarken for Terjesen and Tostensen, which appear to relate to the search here. Then back to Anne Knudsdatter where the questions started.
#8 right hand page died 10 Sept 1835 buried 18 Sept 1835 Asloug Andersdtr Lønvig under farm Vatnebo, age 90 widow from Lønvig under the farm Vatneboe died of old age
SAK, Dypvåg sokneprestkontor, F/Fb/Fbb/L0001: Parish register (copy) no. B 1, 1816-1850, p. 111
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524320054
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/01/2019 : 01:30:29
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I did find the original record for the marriage of Tosten Torjesen and Asloug Andersdatter on July 19, 1774
Right hand page Married in Vinje Telemark
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Also found the confirmation of Torje Tostensen Hagestadeie see far right hand page number 23
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And here is a Geni.com Tree for this couple and some children. Does not connect with the other Geni.com Tree. Not unusual for trees with the same family members to stand alone on Geni. Also seems to have the birth place as Vinje, Bø, Nordland, which makes no sense to me.
But this one gives the family that Sven is researching except for Terje Andreas.
Geni Tree
It does give the baptism record for Terje son of Tosten Terjesen who was baptized December 25, 1774. See left page 25 December
Link
And his wife Anne Kristine who was baptized July 26, 1774 in Holt, Dypvaag. Last record right hand page
Father is Ole Olsen Vantnebo
Probably this baptism record
Name: Anne Kirstine Olsen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 26 jul 1774
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Ole Olsen
Mother: Allou Andersdr
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Edited by - AntonH on 20/01/2019 03:42:20 |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2019 : 16:13:02
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| You two have found a lot, i'm impressed. I've been able to add a lot to the family tree. I would help you guys translate if I could speak Norwegian, though I could probably google translate, but that wouldn't give the best result. |
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