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ToreL
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Norway
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 Posted - 29/05/2019 : 13:13:17
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I am trying to trace the brother of one of my ancestors, who moved from Bergen, Norway to Lüneburg in Germany around 1819, but then possibly emigrated from Germany to America in 1851.
Carl Bendix Togstad was born in Bergen on November 4th 1798, with parents Andreas Togstad and Margrethe Gregoriusdatter. His father was a master taylor, and Carl Bendix himself is a taylor's apprentice in the 1815 census. At the time of his father's death in 1837, Carl Bendix had (according to the probate records) been living in Lüneburg for the past 18 years. In Germany I have just one single possible trace after him, as a Schneidergeselle (taylor journeyman) Togstadt in Lüneburg is listed as an emigrant to America in 1851.
If there are any other traces to be found after him in Germany or the US, I would be thrilled to hear about it. In Norway I have already covered the ground extensively. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/05/2019 : 18:20:43
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Interesting problem.
Here is a Charles Togstad listed in a marriage record:
Name Sjur Eken
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 09 Nov 1899
Event Place Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Race White
Birthplace Norway
Father's Name Iver Eken
Mother's Name Johanna Bomhjel
Spouse's Name Clara Augusta Togstad
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Birthplace Beloit, Wis.
Spouse's Father's Name Charles Togstad
Spouse's Mother's Name Rina Wiedmann
Note Pr Name: Of Vienna, Dane, Wis.;
Citing this Record
"Wisconsin, County Marriages, 1836-1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRLL-JWG : 17 March 2018), Charles Togstad in entry for Sjur Eken and Clara Augusta Togstad, 09 Nov 1899; citing Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States, Wisconsin Historical Society, Madison; FHL microfilm 1,275,938.
Name Alfred Togstad
Event Type Death
Event Date 24 Nov 1960
Event Place Nampa, Canyon, Idaho, United States
Birth Date 09 Jan 1885
Birthplace Wisconsin
Father's Name Charles I Togstad
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Name Petra Wiedemann
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Certificate Number 004534
Citing this Record
"Idaho Death Certificates, 1938-1961," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M1-K4YR : 1 February 2016), Charles I Togstad in entry for Alfred Togstad, 24 Nov 1960; citing Death, Nampa, Canyon, Idaho, United States, Department of Health and Welfare, Boise..
Swing and a miss:
Carl Togster Self M 29 Norway
Rena Togster Wife F 22 Norway
Clara Togster Daughter F 2 Wisconsin, United States
Ida Togster Daughter F 0 Wisconsin, United States
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNH6-9QS : 14 September 2017), Carl Togster, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 177, sheet 65A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 1444; FHL microfilm 1,255,444.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 29/05/2019 18:25:50 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/05/2019 : 17:14:11
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I did not find much about immigration of any Togstad in the Ancestry.com data bases for the years 1845 to 1865. The only hit was this one.
I V Togstad
in the England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869
Name: I V Togstad
Port of Arrival: London, England
Arrival Date: 19 Sep 1853
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany
Ship: Caledonia
Country of Origin/Native of: Norway |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 31/05/2019 : 11:15:28
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| Thanks to both of you for the input. This is a difficult case, for many reasons, perhaps too difficult to even post here, but I couldn't resist the temptation. There is a handful of Togstad/Tokstad farms in different parts of Norway, and they probably all produced emigrants. Given the match in surname, profession and the city og Luneburg, the "Auswanderer" I found at the German archive is almost certainly my relative, but given the year this may not be Carl Bendix himslef, it could just as well be his son, whose first name we can only guess at. Maybe something that abbreviates to I V ? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 31/05/2019 : 21:58:09
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Spelling the Togstad name in Germanic fashion as in your link " Name, Vorname, Herkunft: Togstadt, Lüneburg " does turn up an additional record.
Adreß- und Handbuch der Stadt Lüneburg, 1862-1863
CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES
View Image
Record information.
Residence
1862-1863 Sachsen,
And here is a screen shot of a portion of the image that seems to be for a Togstadt
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/05/2019 : 22:25:41
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Casting a wider net for birth year does turn up this record.
Knut Togstadt
in the Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934
Name: Knut Togstadt
Gender: männlich (Male)
Departure Age: 24
Ethnicity/Nationality: Norwegen (Norwegian)
Occupation: Student
Military Service: Passvisum
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1899
Birth Place: Bergen
Residence: Berlin
Departure Date: 28 Jul 1923
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Destination: Bergen
Ship Name: Neptun
Shipping Clerk: Rob. M. Sloman jr., Hamburg
Shipping Line: Det Bergenske Dampskibsselskab, Bergen
Ship Type: Dampfschiff, kein Auswandererschiff
Emigration: nein
Accommodation: 1. Klasse
Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 300
Household Members:
Name Age
Knut Togstadt 24 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 01/06/2019 : 01:07:48
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Wow, your find in the 1860 address book is super-interesting.
Your last find is a closer relative; my grandfather Knut Togstad was a student in Germany in the 1920ies... |
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 01/06/2019 : 17:53:52
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It may be that there are two separate residence records. The one from the German website for 1860 and the one on Ancestry.com for 1862-63. They both have the same information. Schneidermannamtbote translates literals as a Tailor delivery man, and I assume that the addresss that Mr. C Togstad lived at is number 80 Rothemauer. The Rothemauer does not have the str for strasse or street at the end so not a street but translates as Rothe mauer or red wall.
So at least for 1860 to 1860 to about 1863 a person named C Trogstedt who worked aa in some fashion as a tailor and lived at a number 80 in a building named for a red wall.
Could be your Carl Trogstad or perhaps his son? Maybe he left Germanu and then returned. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2019 : 22:47:27
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The possible child leaving Germany, although countries of origin in passenger records are often wrong:
Name Lars. Tokstad
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 02 May 1882
Event Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender Male
Age 51
Birthplace Germany
Occupation Laborer
Ship Name British Queen
Birth Year (Estimated) 1831
Departure Port Liverpool
Literacy Unknown
Destination Place Usa
Transit or Travel Compartment Staying in the USA [Transit]; Steerage [Travel]
Affiliate Manifest ID 00021513
Affiliate ARC Identifier 1746067
Citing this Record
"United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDWB-WP3 : 27 December 2014), Lars. Tokstad, 02 May 1882; citing Germans to America Passenger Data file, 1850-1897, Ship British Queen, departed from Liverpool, arrived in Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, NAID identifier 1746067, National Archives at College Park, Maryland.
And his presumed wife:
Name Marta Tokstad
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 02 May 1882
Event Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender Female
Age 50
Birthplace Germany
Occupation Wife
Ship Name British Queen
Birth Year (Estimated) 1832
Departure Port Liverpool
Literacy Unknown
Destination Place Usa
Transit or Travel Compartment Staying in the USA [Transit]; Steerage [Travel]
Affiliate Manifest ID 00021513
Affiliate ARC Identifier 1746067
Citing this Record
"United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDWB-WPQ : 27 December 2014), Marta Tokstad, 02 May 1882; citing Germans to America Passenger Data file, 1850-1897, Ship British Queen, departed from Liverpool, arrived in Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, NAID identifier 1746067, National Archives at College Park, Maryland.
And a possible child:
Name Mothe Tokstad
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 02 May 1882
Event Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender Female
Age 17
Birthplace Germany
Occupation Spinster
Ship Name British Queen
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Departure Port Liverpool
Literacy Unknown
Destination Place Usa
Transit or Travel Compartment Staying in the USA [Transit]; Steerage [Travel]
Affiliate Manifest ID 00021513
Affiliate ARC Identifier 1746067
Citing this Record
"United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDWB-WPW : 27 December 2014), Mothe Tokstad, 02 May 1882; citing Germans to America Passenger Data file, 1850-1897, Ship British Queen, departed from Liverpool, arrived in Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, NAID identifier 1746067, National Archives at College Park, Maryland.
Wrong as countries of origin in census records, too:
Name Jacob Togstead
Event Type Census
Event Date 1920
Event Place Manhattan Assembly District 13, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 64
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1856
Birthplace Germany
Immigration Year 1881
Father's Birthplace Germany
Mother's Birthplace Germany
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 12
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Jacob Togstead Head M 64 Germany
Annie Togstead Wife F 50 Germany
Frances Togstead Son M 27 New York
Annie Togstead Daughter F 16 New York
Florance Togstead Daughter F 13 New York
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJBX-KR1 : accessed 2 June 2019), Jacob Togstead, Manhattan Assembly District 13, New York, New York, United States; citing ED 953, sheet 12A, line 18, family 274, NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1992), roll 1208; FHL microfilm 1,821,208.
Name Alfred Togstaad
Event Type Naturalization
Event Date 1891
Event Place , New York, New York, United States
Birth Country Germany
Citing this Record
"New York Naturalization Index (Soundex), 1792-1906," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVTW-PCC5 : 15 March 2018), Alfred Togstaad, 1891; citing , New York, New York, United States, Index to Naturalization Petitions filed in Federal, state and local court in New York, 1792-1906, NARA microfilm publication M1674 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 267; FHL microfilm 1,462,893.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 02/06/2019 23:06:14 |
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Taylor Carl Bendix Togstad in America
