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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 27/01/2020 : 23:25:06
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Then this would be the brother also in Waupaca County in 1870. Christian Danielson was on page 11 and here Christopher is on page 12.
Christopher Danielson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Christopher Danielson
Age in 1870: 38
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 100
Home in 1870: St Lawrence, Waupaca , Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Ogdensburgh
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Personal Estate Value: 560
Real Estate Value: 1400
Inferred Spouse: Castia Danielson
Inferred Children: Caroline D Danielson
Daniel G Danielson
David Danielson
Ann M Danielson
Amos Danielson
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher Danielson 38
Castia Danielson 26
Caroline D Danielson 8
Daniel G Danielson 6
David Danielson 5
Ann M Danielson 3
Amos Danielson
Nels Nelson 14
Augusta Nelson 11 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 00:47:54
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Turns out that Christian Danielsen and Albertine also lived in Waupaca County. Seems to be the right family even if ages and spelling are a little off. Charles born in Norway . Peter and Oscar born in Wisconsin.
Chris Danilson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Chris Danilson
Age in 1870: 45
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 95
Home in 1870: St Lawrence, Waupaca, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Ogdensburgh
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Personal Estate Value: 350
Real Estate Value: 600
Inferred Spouse: Albetina Danilson
Inferred Children: Charles Danilson
Peter Danilson
Oscar Danilson
Anna C Danilson
Household Members:
Name Age
Chris Danilson 45
Albetina Danilson 27
Charles Danilson 9
Peter Danilson 7
Oscar Danilson 5
Anna C Danilson 2
The son Charles was born where? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 00:51:34
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So, do you see a "Carl Gristave" born in Norway and shortly died afterwards? Then the story is Albertina had another son later and kept the name Carl for him. Does that all make logical sense?
Yes it does make sense. More so now that we keep digging up information on the family.
As posted earlier this is the first born Carl Gustav. This would be the one who died young and died in Norway.
Carl Gustav Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Carl Gustav Christensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 nov 1859
Baptism Date: 27 nov 1859
Baptism Place: Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Christian Danielsen
Mother: Albertine Amundsen
FHL Film Number: 255750
Original baptism record
#239
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010152
This is the second Carl Gustav and likely the one named Charles in the 1870 US Census
Carl Gustav Christiansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Carl Gustav Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 mai 1861 (4 May 1861)
Baptism Date: 20 mai 1861 (20 May 1861)
Baptism Place: Ostre Aker, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Christian Danielsen
Mother: Albertine Amundsen
FHL Film Number: 255739
Reference ID: 2:133DXWL
#24
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061106030215
Note the change in churches between the two baptisms. The second was in Akershus
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Randall Fisher
Junior member
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 01:06:44
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| Very cool. I’m driving home from work. I will catchup shortly. Thank you for all your research. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 01:17:04
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So the address on the second birth is Marienborg Dahlen eng
Dahlen means the valley , eng means meadow..
The 1st Carl Gustav died 3 months old #40 10 Feb 1860:
SAO, Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0025: Ministerialbok nr. 25, 1847-1867, s. 709-710
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060215020370
Address appears to be Drogaden or Brogaden
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Randall Fisher
Junior member
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 02:27:51
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HI Jackie, I’m caught up on your posts. I had to cut and paste into a separate word document so I would follow along. In summary, we believe Albertine Amundsen and Christian Danielsen had a baby Carl in Norway who soon died in Norway. Then Albertine and Christian soon left to America and had five more children, one named Charles (aka Carl 2nd). Also, we learned Christian has a local Wisconsin brother Christopher married to Kersti Davidson (I see Kirsti Davidsdatter Raa) and they have five children. Plus, earlier, another older brother Ole also moved to Wisconsin. And we found that their father Daniel Tollefsen left also with his wife and kids. It is like the entire family up and left Norway for Wisconsin!
So, if was I visiting for a few magical hours in Oslo, I would maybe drive out to Homble farm area or Drogaden for a look around. Or is it a huge city now?
Cheers, Randy
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 02:36:23
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| No, Albertine and Christian had two children in Norway. Both named Carl Gustav. The first one died young, the second one came with them to Wisconsin and is named Charles in the 1870 Census |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 02:41:58
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I think if we dig further we will find that brother Niels Danielsen also came to America and in 1870 is living with wife and children in Waupaca.
Niels was born Sep 19, 1827 to Daniel Tolllefsen and Gubjør Olsdatter at the Homble farm in Nannestad.
#15
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061106010684
Nels Danielson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Nels Danielson
Age in 1870: 43
Birth Year: abt 1827
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 82
Home in 1870: St Lawrence, Waupaca, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Ogdensburgh
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Personal Estate Value: 250
Real Estate Value: 600
Inferred Spouse: Ellen Danielson
Inferred Children: John Danielson
Household Members:
Name Age
Nels Danielson 43
Ellen Danielson 58
John Danielson 19
Niels was one of the witnesses at the baptism of the second Carl Gustav born in 1861 in Norway. |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/01/2020 02:48:43 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 02:51:10
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Looks like Niels was married in Oslo before coming to Wisconsin.
Niels Danielsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926Name: Niels Danielsen
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1828
Marriage Date: 9 feb 1849
Marriage Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Daniel Tollefsen
Spouse: Elen Karine Iversdatter
FHL Film Number: 255733
Here is Niels and wife Elen living in Oslo (Kristiania) in the 1865 Norwegian Census.
Niels Danielsen
in the 1865 Norway Census
Name: Niels Danielsen
Gender: Mannlig (Male)
Marital status: Gift (Married)
Age: 38
Birth Year: abt 1827
Birth Place: Nannestad
Census Year: 1865
Municipality: Kristiania
Municipality Number: 0301
County: Oslo
County Number: 03
Counting District: Øvre Voldgate
Counting District Number: 0661
Enumeration District: Trefoldigheds Menighed
Enumeration District Number: 000
Relation to Head: Husfader (Head)
House List Number: 6
House Number: 02
Household Members:
Name Age
Niels Danielsen 38
Elen Iversen 53
Johan Danielsen 15
Amalie Danielsen 12
Pouline Olsen 22
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027020400
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 03:09:09
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The 1865 Census for Niels Danielsen gives an address of Øvre Voldgate. I think that the street is spelled #6 Øvre Vollgate, today. If you put Øvre Vollgate,Oslo into Google Maps you will see a fairly short street in the heart of Oslo. It will give you an idea of the neighborhood that Christian and Albertine lived in when they were living in Oslo. You need to consider that the area may have changed a considerably since the 1800's, it is the heart of the city. In 1865 the building contained 8 apartments.
1865
Here is a link to a map fro Google. I am not sure that it will work but you can enter the above address in your self.
Øvre Vollgate
[url=https://postimages.org/] [/url]
You can see from the map that Øvre Vollgate is about 7 blocks west of Kirkegata walking down Tollbugata.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 28/01/2020 : 03:40:00
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It is interesting that in 1880 brother Niels moved over to Medford, Taylor Couty, Wisconsin.
Nels Danielson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Nels Danielson
Age: 53
Birth Date: Abt 1827
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Medford, Taylor, Wisconsin, USA
Dwelling Number: 163
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: Ellen C. Danielson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: Farmer
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Nels Danielson 53
Ellen C. Danielson 69 |
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Randall Fisher
Junior member
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 04:04:33
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| Neil married a lady 16 years older? Ellen must have had money or strong. I would like to see that picture. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 28/01/2020 : 15:12:16
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Albertine's mother is a bit of a mystery. In Elise's and Guttorm's marriage record Elise's father is named Even Sæther. That is not an exceedingly common name.
Here is an Even Johannesen Sæther mentioned as the father of a not long lived child being baptized at Garnison in Oslo in 1827:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000003701687
A twin child named Antonette Emilie in 1821:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000003694953
#3 Antonette Emilie confirmation:
SAO, Garnisonsmenigheten Kirkebøker, G/Ga/L0004: Parish register (copy) no. 4, 1828-1840, p. 275
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061009050573
Another child (a twin) in 1821:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000003694913
A child named Vilhelm Emanuel in 1828 (Elise Martine is mentioned in the notes as 11 and vaccinated at the same time as another child named Antonette Emilie):
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000003703627
Another child named Albertine (a twin) in 1832:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000000626813
#43 Albertine Josephine vaccination address is Vaterland:
SAO, Garnisonsmenigheten Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1828-1881, p. 278
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227070736
#25 death of Albertine Josephine address is "Vaterland"
SAO, Garnisonsmenigheten Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1828-1881, p. 48
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227070591
Another child (a twin) in 1832:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000000626791
A child named Johan Fredrik in 1834:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000000621553
#22 Johan Fredrik Sæther vaccination address is Vaterland:
SAO, Garnisonsmenigheten Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1828-1881, p. 282
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227070740
Elise's confirmation # 6 Father here is called Even Evensen Sæther but mother is Karen Enersdatter:
SAO, Garnisonsmenigheten Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. 6, 1828-1841, p. 302
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227070467
Another record Elise's confirmation: # 6
SAO, Garnisonsmenigheten Kirkebøker, G/Ga/L0004: Parish register (copy) no. 4, 1828-1840, p. 264
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061009050562
It also says she was baptized at Var Frelsers.
#60 Elise Martine birth /baptism:
SAO, Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1817-1824, p. 88-89
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061005030257
She was born before her parents married.
There are about a half dozen Karen Enersdatter in the 1801 (born 1780-1801) census, here is one from Akershus:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058216006814 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 29/01/2020 16:16:11 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 16:28:31
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Probably the marriage of Even and Karen in 1821.
Even Johannesen Saeter
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Even Johannesen Saeter
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1797
Marriage Date: 25 mai 1821 (25 May 1821)
Marriage Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Karen Enersdr
FHL Film Number: 125779
Reference ID: 2:1MGTCS3
#27
An Even Johannsen born about 1797 on Sæter Nordre
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058240001827
Even Johannesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Even Johannesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 mai 1796 (1 May 1796)
Baptism Place: Vinger , Hedmark, Norway
Father: Johannes Gudmundsen
Mother: Eli Evensdr
FHL Film Number: 124481
Reference ID: 1721
Third record left page
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603170072 |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/01/2020 16:51:07 |
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Randall Fisher
Junior member
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Posted - 28/01/2020 : 17:37:20
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| Hi Jackie, so do we believe Albertine had a twin sister???? |
Dr. Randall Fisher |
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July 28 2020 in Oslo Finding Albertina Amundsen
