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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 15/06/2020 : 17:24:13
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2020 : 19:11:40
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So Karl Fredrick and Helga are both in New York in 1910:
Name: Helga Ross
Census Year: 1910
Gender:Female
Age: 38
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Relationship: Wife
Husband: Charles F Ross
Residence: Brooklyn Ward 30, Kings, New York, United States
Birthplace: Norway
Birth Year: 1872
Household Members:Name Age
Charles F Ross 40
They live at 734 53rd Street. His entry says that he migrated in 1901 and is an alien. He is a carpenter building docks.
In 1920 here is Helga Ross:
Name:Helga H Ross
Census Year: 1920
Gender: Female
Age: 47
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Relationship: Head
Residence: Richmond Lee Ward, Richmond (Independent City), Virginia, United States
Birthplace: Norway
Birth Year: 1873
Household Members:
Name Age
Woodrow Ross 7
George W Deets 32
Alvera K Deets 23
Frank D Deets 5
It says Helga came to US in 1907 and is naturalized . The relationships with the rest of the family are a bit garbled. George Deets is called "mother-in-law" and I suspect the correct term is son-in-law. Alvera Deets is called mother and I think she is Karl's and Helga's daughter. It says she came to US in 1908, status is not clearly listed. Frank Deets is listed as grandson born in Pennsylvania as is George Deets. Both of Frank Deets' parents birthplaces are listed as Pennsylvania. Woodrow is listed as son and born in Virginia.
On this trip from Norway in 1916, this Alvera's home is listed as in America:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000326049
Name: Alvira Ross
Arrival Date: 23 Mar 1916
Birth Date: abt 1896
Last Permanent Address: Nrw
Other Last Permanent Address: Arendal Hollen
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiansand, Southern Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: United States
The relative she's leaving behind is her brother Harald Ross and the relative she is going to his her father Fredrik Ross who lives at 5309 7th Avenue Brooklyn.
Here is an Alvira Christenson leaving Arendal going to US in 1906.:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000301201
Here is an Arnold Ross going to US in 1913:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000324126
Here is his arrival information:
Name: Arnold Barthold Ross
Arrival Date: 16 Sep 1913
Birth Date: abt 1894
Last Permanent Address: Norway
Other Last Permanent Address: Tredestrand
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiansand, Southern Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: United States
His relative left in Norway was his grandmother Birgitta Jonasen and the relative in US he's going to is his father Fredrik Ross
Looks like 3 of the children of Helga and Karl Fredrik listed as pleiebarn in 1910 census, with their maternal grandparents!:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036543005823 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 15/06/2020 21:21:55 |
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Kpkarlsen
Starting member
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Posted - 15/06/2020 : 21:48:49
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Originally posted by jkmarler
#12 Amandus Sally Karlsen confirmation:
SAK, Arendal sokneprestkontor, Trefoldighet, F/Fb/L0007: Parish register (copy) no. B 7, 1916-1927, p. 103
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060509040219
That's my Amandus. I've never seen this record before. It means a lot. Thank you. That middle name kills me though. |
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Kpkarlsen
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 15/06/2020 : 22:05:10
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Karl's wife Johanna also seems to have travelled to New York
Johanna Ros
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Johanna Ros
Arrival Date: 8 Sep 1904
Birth Date: abt 1834
Age: 70
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiansand
Port of Arrival: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Willehad
Last residence is listed as Arendal.
To husband Charles Charesen something 48 Brooklyn
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That could be Sackett St. 48 - Brooklyn. It's across the street from the docks which seems very Norwegian. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 15/06/2020 : 23:48:53
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Even though Helga is listed as widow in 1920, Carl Fredrik seems to be alive and well, living in Brooklyn with another woman and his son Arnold. As far as I can see, all data match for father and son.
But again his immigration year i given as 1901, providing him with a clear alibi in the paternity case? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 00:19:29
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Originally posted by ToreL
Even though Helga is listed as widow in 1920, Carl Fredrik seems to be alive and well, living in Brooklyn with another woman and his son Arnold. As far as I can see, all data match for father and son.
But again his immigration year i given as 1901, providing him with a clear alibi in the paternity case?
You would have to do the "nasty math" and figure when Amandus was conceived and then compare to Carl's moments of arrival and departure. The trip across is about two weeks.
Calling Helga a widow in 1920 might be a function of the uninformed way the Richmond census was done. |
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