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halvelm1
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 Posted - 15/07/2020 : 20:24:51
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I have a question about the nature of this area of Sor Trondelag. In the 1801 census it is divided into parish and another area I believe to be a more rural area on the outskirts. The ancestors I am researching apparently migrated to this area and later moved on to work in the Kongsberg silver mines. What kind of mines were in Roros in the mid 1700's? Did the miners live on farms or housing associated with the mines? From searching the churchbooks it seems when they moved to Kongsberg they only attached Roros or Roraas to their name rather than a farm name. One unusual name used as a farm name is "Corporal". Anyone familiar with that place?
Unrelated question - would Mogn an Moen be considered separate names, or Moens a corruption of Mogn? |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/07/2020 : 23:26:22
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Can you please share working URL links to some of these items you are looking at? For instance, the 1801 census enumeration for the family you are tracking, the document or evidence that this same family or person then moved to Kongsberg, a link to that use of the word "Corporal" in what location.
Who are the ancestors you are researching?
The 1801 census for Rĝros (Rĝraas) clerical district includes the parishes of Rĝros, Glċmos, and Brekken. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/07/2020 : 00:40:43
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| The database at the Digitalarkivet has about 117 people with the surname Corporal in a wide variety of places (including Roraas) and through several centuries. |
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halvelm1
Medium member
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90 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2020 : 19:20:32
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| I am trying to trace the ancestors of Nicolay Jaeger # 2299 in the 1801 census (Kongsberg, Syde-banen, No. 461) and his first wife. Nicolai's first wife was Kiersten (Kisti) Mogensdatter, Roraas. Nicolai's full name was Nicolai Olsen Jaegers as used in most of the church records. I have established a list of his, and his brother Peder's children, with the godparents. One son Lars is in the 1801 census #1875 at Sandsvaer Moen No. 349. From this list I have speculated that his mother may have been Abellone Catherine Nicolaisdatter, Lyindt or Anne Magrethe Mognsdatter and father Ole Mogensen Roraas. Kiersten's father also may be Mogn Olsen Roraas. Because of limitations in Rorass church records have been unable to prove anything. Many names spelled Moen in Rorass, most In Konsberg spelled as Mogn. Corporal shows up used as farm name with Moen spelling in Roraas. |
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AntonH
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halvelm1
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90 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2020 : 23:19:17
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Thanks for your help. I did not have any links because I am picking up work I did 15-20 years ago. I was working from old print-outs and notes. I need to familiarize myself with the Digitalarkivet of today and it's search capabilities.
One new item from these links is the possible name of a daughter of Nicolai - Margrethe Maria apparently born around 1800 with second wife. Is this is from her death & burial records? Must have died before census.
The other new info is Nicolais Olsen Jaegers death in 1802. Can anyone translate the cause of death?
I have found his wife's (Kirsten Mogensdatter) birth (22 June 1749) in the Roraas church book, so I am now pretty sure her father was Moens Olsen Corporals despite the different spelling of Mogns. Curiously, most of the spelling in Kongsberg books was Mogn/ in Roraas books Moen. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/07/2020 : 00:07:12
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| My rough translation worked to death in the mine. Beg corrections from forumites. |
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halvelm1
Medium member
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Posted - 19/07/2020 : 22:57:14
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| I am still looking for more information about Corporal in Roraas parish. In the 1727-1766 (1640P) searchable there are several entries where it is listed as a "position" in the tables rather than a location. Also, a case where a (.) period was before Corporal when listed after the patronymic. In the scanned images of church records it always comes after the patronymic like a farm name. The occupations of several of these men indicate there was a smelter there. Could Corporal be an industrial area near the mines? Any military in that area? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/07/2020 : 20:45:30
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Originally posted by halvelm1
I have a question about the nature of this area of Sor Trondelag. In the 1801 census it is divided into parish and another area I believe to be a more rural area on the outskirts. The ancestors I am researching apparently migrated to this area and later moved on to work in the Kongsberg silver mines. What kind of mines were in Roros in the mid 1700's? Did the miners live on farms or housing associated with the mines? From searching the churchbooks it seems when they moved to Kongsberg they only attached Roros or Roraas to their name rather than a farm name. One unusual name used as a farm name is "Corporal". Anyone familiar with that place?
Unrelated question - would Mogn an Moen be considered separate names, or Moens a corruption of Mogn?
It was copper-mines in Rĝros |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 21/07/2020 : 23:28:21
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Originally posted by jkmarler
My rough translation worked to death in the mine. Beg corrections from forumites.
Correct, Nicolai Olsen Jĉger fell and died in the mine |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 21/07/2020 : 23:36:06
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Originally posted by halvelm1
I am trying to trace the ancestors of Nicolay Jaeger # 2299 in the 1801 census (Kongsberg, Syde-banen, No. 461) and his first wife. Nicolai's first wife was Kiersten (Kisti) Mogensdatter, Roraas. Nicolai's full name was Nicolai Olsen Jaegers as used in most of the church records. I have established a list of his, and his brother Peder's children, with the godparents. One son Lars is in the 1801 census #1875 at Sandsvaer Moen No. 349. From this list I have speculated that his mother may have been Abellone Catherine Nicolaisdatter, Lyindt or Anne Magrethe Mognsdatter and father Ole Mogensen Roraas. Kiersten's father also may be Mogn Olsen Roraas. Because of limitations in Rorass church records have been unable to prove anything. Many names spelled Moen in Rorass, most In Konsberg spelled as Mogn. Corporal shows up used as farm name with Moen spelling in Roraas.
Recidence in Kongsberg 1801; Skyde-banen todays Skytebanen, shooting range. The area is today a residential area |
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halvelm1
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Kċarto
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Posted - 23/07/2020 : 00:09:58
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Originally posted by halvelm1
Thanks for your help. I did not have any links because I am picking up work I did 15-20 years ago. I was working from old print-outs and notes. I need to familiarize myself with the Digitalarkivet of today and it's search capabilities.
One new item from these links is the possible name of a daughter of Nicolai - Margrethe Maria apparently born around 1800 with second wife. Is this is from her death & burial records? Must have died before census.
The other new info is Nicolais Olsen Jaegers death in 1802. Can anyone translate the cause of death?
I have found his wife's (Kirsten Mogensdatter) birth (22 June 1749) in the Roraas church book, so I am now pretty sure her father was Moens Olsen Corporals despite the different spelling of Mogns. Curiously, most of the spelling in Kongsberg books was Mogn/ in Roraas books Moen.
Mogens Olsen, corporal in the army. Kirsten Mogensdatter was Mogens daughter.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 24/07/2020 : 19:04:58
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It was a fortress in Rĝros, Korthaugen Skanse, established 1711. The fortress had two walls. The only remainings of the fortress today is "Krutthuset" the Gunpowder-house build 1747 link
The miners were free from military service
In war-times against Sweden officers were send to Rĝros to support the local volunteers, as in 1718 (The great Scandinavian war) -1808 and 1814
I also believe Corporal was a family name, very strange and rare |
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halvelm1
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90 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2020 : 01:03:59
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| I am still unsure of how to treat Corporal as a military title or unusual family name. Seems to be too many of them in the churchbooks to be military. I had also been thinking it was a section of Roros where miners lived and may have been used much as a farm name. The link from Kaarto is very good -- provides a number of great photos and historical info. Wondering if a good map of Roros circa 1750 also exists to download. One of the Corporals, Ole Moensen Corporal, would have been born circa 1705, so perhaps he was involved with the wars mentioned and adopted the Corporal as a name. I haven't been able to link him to my Moens Olsen Corporal. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 31/07/2020 : 00:15:27
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| I found 3 people (maybe brothers) named Corporal in the 1701 Roros male census. This would mean the name was in use before the war in 1678 and not military. The 1701 census is a good source since it is searchable. |
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Roros-Roraas and Miners
