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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 21/03/2021 : 23:11:48
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Karie Nikkelson
in the Cuyahoga County, Ohio, U.S., Marriage Records and Indexes, 1810-1973
Name: Karie Nikkelson
Marriage Date: 7 Feb 1885
Form Type: Marriage
Gender: Female
Spouse: Charles Dunning |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 21/03/2021 : 23:30:34
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In Samuels 2nd marriage, his mother is named Carrie Sphoie.
Sphoie does not sound very norwegian... are you familiar with that name?
In Elsies marriage, her mother is named Carrie Michaelson.
Most records shows Carries last name as "Nicholson", which likely would be Nikolaisdatter in Norway, while Michaelson would be Mikkelsdatter.
So we could be looking for a Karen Sophie Mikkelsdatter... |
Edited by - jwiborg on 21/03/2021 23:40:50 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 21/03/2021 : 23:43:54
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Another candidate is Katarina Nicolaisen emigrated in 1883 from Kristiansand. No destination.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000261523
Called Karen Katarina in the 1865 Census and living with her parents Nicolai Forsum and Larssine Nielsdatter in Bergen
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038248001732
Karine Cathrine Nicolaisdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Karine Cathrine Nicolaisdatter
[Karine Cathrine Hendriksen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 29 apr 1859
Baptism Place: Bergen, Bergen, Norway
Father: Nicolai Hendriksen
Mother: Lassine Nielsen
FHL Film Number: 123711
Reference ID: bk 10a p 178
Karine Cathrine
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Karine Cathrine
Gender: Kvinnelig
Record Type: dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date: 11 April
Baptism Date: 29 apr 1859
Baptism Place: Bergen, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality: Domkirken parish
Entry Number: 55
Father: Nicolai Hendriksen
Mother: Lassine Nielsen
Nr. 56
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070223680198
Marriage of the parents
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000008927453
Catrine Nicolags
in the Canada, Arriving Passengers Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Catrine Nicolags
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1862
Departure Port: Belfast, Ireland; Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 13 Aug 1883
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Dominion |
Edited by - AntonH on 22/03/2021 01:49:18 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 21/03/2021 : 23:49:09
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Kaia's parents marriage:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009849819
#2
SAO, Vestby prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1827-1849, p. 178
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061026010305
Mikkel as her father's name gives a whole new turn, that and her matching birthdate of 29 June 1859 and Vestby is in Akershus the county surrounding Kristiania:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000029022796
#81
SAO, Vestby prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1850-1862, p. 61
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927030749
This may be Kaja in the 1865 census fostered:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038006002551
Here Kaia Sofie in 1875 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052041007346
A search at the Norwegian National Library for "garver mikael thorkildsen" found one mention in this book
Vestby bygdebok : gård og grend gjennom tidene. 2 : Garder og Såner sokn Likewise a search for "kaja sofie" found one reference in this book: Vestby bygdebok : gård og grend gjennom tidene. 1 : Vestby sokn likely different person
However, they are only open to Norwegian IP addresses, so if anyone is able to access, would you?
An obit for tanner Michael Torkildsen
https://www.nb.no/items/24e2277031d236909e409e1d2a2629cb?page=0&searchText=%22michael%20torkildsen%22
Daughter of Michael Torkildsen above, marriage in Trinity church in Oslo:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000003643327
#19 Banns for Emilie:
SAO, Trefoldighet prestekontor Kirkebøker, H/Ha/L0002: Banns register no. 2, 1870-1878, p. 88
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061009020591
Emilie Ruud in 1875 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052055048248
Emilie Ruud in 1885 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053257041632
Emilie Ruud with her full first name in 1891 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052721022290
Emilie Ruud's obit in 1894:
https://www.nb.no/items/c795a1b72f811795a736b9cf4246e908?page=1&searchText=%22emilie%20ruud%22
Emilie's death confirmed:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000003406156
This Mikkel was not born in Vestby but was born in Hedemarken according to the 1865 census, Mikael here with son Max Einar:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027031971
Max's birth baptism transcribed:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000022043671
#31 Max Aimar confirmation:
SAO, Trefoldighet prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0001: Parish register (official) no. II 1, 1858-1871, p. 253
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060213040256
#1309 Max Aimar Thorkildson sailing schedule:
SAO, Oslo mønstringskontor, F/Fc/Fcb/L0004: Hovedrulle, 1868-1873, p. 134
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090416610134
Birthe Emilie (Torvalda) birth baptism transcribed:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCXV-B7M
#106 Birthe Emilie birth 20 Dec 1847 baptism:
SAO, Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0013: Parish register (official) no. 13, 1844-1864, p. 158
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060217010163
daughter Mille Mathilda birth baptism transcribed:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCX2-YGH
Daughter Milie Mathilda death confirmed:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000003606416
son Thorvald August birth baptism transcribed:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCX5-XBR
Seems to be a lot of Torkildsons around the Erikstad farm in Vestby, here in 1801 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058212000130
And another Torkil Olsen in 1801 in Akershus:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058219003350 Mikael's family is the other one in 1801 census |
Edited by - jkmarler on 25/03/2021 03:33:04 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2021 : 13:41:48
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Originally posted by jkmarler
A search at the Norwegian National Library for "garver mikael thorkildsen" found one mention in this book
Vestby bygdebok : gård og grend gjennom tidene. 2 : Garder og Såner sokn Likewise a search for "kaja sofie" found one reference in this book: Vestby bygdebok : gård og grend gjennom tidene. 1 : Vestby sokn
However, they are only open to Norwegian IP addresses, so if anyone is able to access, would you?
The reference to "garver mikael thorkildsen" is just a short mention of a real estate sale.
However, the book also says on a different page that he is from Christiania, and that he married Marie Andersdatter from Råer on 27/3-41. Caia Tørkelsen in census-1865 is correct, fostered at uncle Svend Andersen. Svend is Marie's brother and inherited the Råer homestead which mikael thorkildsen bought some land of. The book mention the fostered Caia, without mentioning that she is Svend's niece.
"kaja sofie" refers to a Kaja Sofie Sørensdatter, born 1874 on Langli. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 22/03/2021 14:04:22 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2021 : 14:30:01
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by jkmarler
A search at the Norwegian National Library for "garver mikael thorkildsen" found one mention in this book
Vestby bygdebok : gård og grend gjennom tidene. 2 : Garder og Såner sokn Likewise a search for "kaja sofie" found one reference in this book: Vestby bygdebok : gård og grend gjennom tidene. 1 : Vestby sokn
However, they are only open to Norwegian IP addresses, so if anyone is able to access, would you?
The reference to "garver mikael thorkildsen" is just a short mention of a real estate sale.
However, the book also says on a different page that he is from Christiania, and that he married Marie Andersdatter from Råer on 27/3-41. Caia Tørkelsen in census-1865 is correct, fostered at uncle Svend Andersen. Svend is Marie's brother and inherited the Råer homestead which mikael thorkildsen bought some land of. The book mention the fostered Caia, without mentioning that she is Svend's niece.
"kaja sofie" refers to a Kaja Sofie Sørensdatter, born 1874 on Langli.
Okay. Many thanks for the look and effort. I may have to uncross out the garver Mikael Thorkildsen stuff in the prior post because the references might also be of the same man.
Unfortunately, I haven't found any travel for Kaja Sofie, so she hasn't sprouted legs.... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2021 : 15:46:29
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It means he has returned his "citizen letter" to the Authorities.
The letter was a document for people who wanted to conduct trade or crafts. Citizens' letters were to be returned when the citizenship was terminated. Most, however, retained their citizenship for life, and the family usually did not return the letter.
So he returned for a reason.... maybe emigration? |
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Philip Stinson
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USA
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2021 : 16:01:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Philip Stinson
Many thanks to all of you for all the hard work you have done, so far. I WOULD NEVER have been able to find any of these clues without your help.
This is the only record where I found her date of birth specified.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201993534/carrie-christiana-dunning
It must be mentioned that we have not concluded on anything yet...
Kaia Sofie Mikaelsdatter is a candidate, but so far no records of emigration or anything like that.
Pros: D.o.b. matches, Sofie as middle name
Cons: Kaia instead of Kari or Karen, location "a bit off" Christiania/Oslo, lastname = Mikaelsdatter instead of Nikolaisdatter, no emigration record.
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Philip Stinson
Starting member
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Posted - 22/03/2021 : 16:11:34
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
quote:
Originally posted by Philip Stinson
Many thanks to all of you for all the hard work you have done, so far. I WOULD NEVER have been able to find any of these clues without your help.
This is the only record where I found her date of birth specified.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201993534/carrie-christiana-dunning
It must be mentioned that we have not concluded on anything yet...
Kaia Sofie Mikaelsdatter is a candidate, but so far no records of emigration or anything like that.
Pros: D.o.b. matches, Sofie as middle name
Cons: Kaia instead of Kari or Karen, location "a bit off" Christiania/Oslo, lastname = Mikaelsdatter instead of Nikolaisdatter, no emigration record.
I completely understand and only wanted to thank everyone for their incredible contributions ... so far.
I am following your replies every hour and am amazed every time I look at the efforts your group is willing to provide to a complete stranger who has never done anything to help you in return.
--- Phil ---- |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2021 : 16:46:15
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Originally posted by Philip Stinson
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
quote:
Originally posted by Philip Stinson
Many thanks to all of you for all the hard work you have done, so far. I WOULD NEVER have been able to find any of these clues without your help.
This is the only record where I found her date of birth specified.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201993534/carrie-christiana-dunning
It must be mentioned that we have not concluded on anything yet...
Kaia Sofie Mikaelsdatter is a candidate, but so far no records of emigration or anything like that.
Pros: D.o.b. matches, Sofie as middle name
Cons: Kaia instead of Kari or Karen, location "a bit off" Christiania/Oslo, lastname = Mikaelsdatter instead of Nikolaisdatter, no emigration record.
I completely understand and only wanted to thank everyone for their incredible contributions ... so far.
I am following your replies every hour and am amazed every time I look at the efforts your group is willing to provide to a complete stranger who has never done anything to help you in return.
--- Phil ----
But you might in future..... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2021 : 16:50:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Philip Stinson
Many thanks to all of you for all the hard work you have done, so far. I WOULD NEVER have been able to find any of these clues without your help.
This is the only record where I found her date of birth specified.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201993534/carrie-christiana-dunning
Here is her death certificate which also gives that date:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X6C7-8HB
However, there is no picture of her headstone, which is the usual customary source for the information in FAG. So unless its on the stone someone (vjk, maybe?) got it from someplace else, perhaps her death certificate.
Her husband is the informant for the death certificate but he didn't know the names of her parents. This is always hard to be informant on these documents. Maybe you actually do know but because of the fraught emotion associated with a particular person's death, can't remember or access the information.
By the time of her obituary publication, someone remembered Nichalson as her maiden name and included it. What was the source for that? If it was a hand-written document, confusing an N and an M could easily happen, depending the handwriting and pen style.
So these are the "arts" of family history research. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 22/03/2021 17:03:41 |
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/03/2021 : 17:55:08
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I'm wondering what made her go to Cleveland? Only 41 Norwegians in Cuyahoga, Ohio in Census-1880:
Emma Norberg 1848
Ole Norberg 1835
Julia Taylor 1853
Oliff Thompson 1838
Orisson Waggeneld 1843
Fanna Waggeneld 1877
Christianna Waggeneld 1843
Charles Larns 1858
Edward Goldsdatter 1875
Bridget Goldsdatter 1846
Oly Christiean 1831
George Jacobson 1842
Edward Jackson 1850
Bertha Simonson 1846
Andrew Simonson 1848
Nelson Wels 1853
Otto West 1830
Julia R Combes 1852
Charles Sampson 1846
Louisa Sampson 1847
Karl Arrickinson 1855
Oliver Paterson 1835
Amelia Gensen 1826
Julius Gensen 1826
Jennie Bailey 1856
Paul E Petterson 1879
Jane Petterson 1852
Ovedi Petterson 1877
Inga M Petterson 1869
William Wilson 1837
Seymour Hunts 1840
Chas Anderson 1844
Edwin Anderson 1850
Andrew Heed 1832
Isabella Shumire 1853
John Burk 1853
Anna Burkhardt 1842
Harold Larsen 1850
Magnnus Larsen 1855
Albert Honson 1850
Jake Henson 1857 |
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Searching for Carrie Sophie Nicholson
