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lizabethbibler
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 Posted - 08/04/2021 : 18:26:57
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| I originally thought I should post this inquiry under Army Questions because I have very little information to distinguish my Johan Johansen from so many others except that he served in some form of the military in 1834-36. He was my great-great grandfather and he and my great-great grandmother were not married at the time of their daughter’s (my great-grandmother) birth. In fact I think they were never married to each other. All the information I have on him comes from the baptism record of my great-grandmother. She was Julianne Marie Johansdatter born 24 Dec 1835 in Trondheim, baptized 2 Feb 1836 at Var Frue Kirke in Trondheim. Her mother was Ane Maria Lorentzdatter age 24 2/12 born on Hitra but living in Trondheim for 6 years in service in Bakklandet. Her father was Johan Johansen, bachelor, age 22 3/4, born in Leinstrand and serving in Trondheim with 7th Battery, Battillerist No.32. I have no idea if that is an army thing or a navy thing or something else. I calculate his approximate date of birth to be about March 1813 but possibly April or May. I don’t know if he was 22 3/4 years old at the time of his daughter’s birth or at the time of her baptism. My cousins and I have done DNA testing and although we have many matches we can attribute to various relatives, there is a large number of mystery matches. Certainly our Johan Johansen accounts for many. I am trying to learn the name of his parents to trace that line of my family. To do that I think I would need to know his actual date of birth and if there was any way to find him in records of that 7th Battery military detail, I think his parents could be named there. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions. Many thanks, Liz Bibler |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 19:29:32
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| Johan and Ane Maria had at least one more child. In addition to Juliane Maria (#14), there was Johan Martin (#23) in 1837. |
Edited by - ToreL on 08/04/2021 19:31:09 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 20:31:13
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The birth info on the father in the baptism record of the second child opens the window needed to look for Johan to at least 1811.
Another for a busy man # 21 is his, too but this time with farm name Moe added:
Sør-Trøndelag county, Vår Frue in Trondheim, Parish register (official) no. 602A08 (1840-1854), Born and baptised 1840, Page 2
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050610020148
Oline Andrea doesn't survive:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000538908
And another child #82
Sør-Trøndelag county, Domkirken in Trondheim, Parish register (official) no. 601A16 (1840-1847), Born and baptised 1841, Page 26
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070921620109
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 21:10:55
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In the 1837 baptism, the father is "approximately 26" years old, which is interesting given this (top right) relocation record from Leinstrand to Trondheim.
The military unit referred to in the baptism records was the "syvende batteri av Trondhjemske artilleribataljon". I don't find any records for this unit for the period in question at Digitalarkivet.
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 21:13:56
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| Interesting connection between Jackie's last post and mine: The relocation record gives his farm as "Kolstad eller Moe" (Kolstad or Moe). |
Edited by - ToreL on 08/04/2021 21:14:29 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2021 : 22:30:11
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| A search for Johan Andreas Johnsen Haabroen at Geni.com will tell you that this is the man and that his parents were John Jensen Moe and Elen Birgitte Larsdatter. If you are paying customer you may be able to contact the administrator ("Jabba") and ask him/her how he/she got to this conclusion. |
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jwiborg
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Norway
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 22:56:44
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| Its a different Oline. She was born in 1840 and baptized in Var Frue church. There is a huge entry on this birth concerning artillerist Johan Jonsen who is her father. I think it says that he was born in Dom kirken and that he was confirmed in Melhuus. I think the pastor at Var Frue was onto his game and really let it loose in the entry. By contrast the birth and baptism in the 1841 in Domkirken was very tame and said it was each parent's 1st leiermal, which means if it is exactly the same man, he got away with only a mild rebuke in the book! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 23:05:32
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Elen Birgitte Larsdtr. Moe also had a child with the infamous Gjest Baardsen... 
Illustration from his autobiography, 1877-edition. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 08/04/2021 23:42:06 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 23:21:12
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| Not sure I know who Gjest is....Details please |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 23:27:18
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Not sure I know who Gjest is....Details please
Gjest Baardsen (1791-1849) was a Norwegian criminal (and author) from Sogndal.
He is known for his many escapes from custody. There are many stories, myths and stories about Baardsen, about his travels and deeds.
In 1827 he was sentenced to life imprisonment and sent to Akershus Castle. In captivity he wrote, among other things, his autobiography three volumes), in which he largely constructed a version of his own life as a romantic and chivalrously righteous gentleman thief.
He was pardoned in 1845. For the rest of his life he traveled and sold his books.
There have been made movies about his life.
He is the father of Inger Maria Berg born 1818 in Trondheim. Her mother is Elen Birgitte Larsdatter Moe, which is also Johan's mother. |
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lizabethbibler
Starting member
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 23:37:05
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| I had heard a story that the Johan Johansen Moe was possibly the man we were looking for, but I could not confirm it. My cousin and I had eventually ruled him out but I see here in the baptism record for his daughter Oline that he is the same guy. His 7th Battery No.32 is the same as in our 2 baptisms. And he really was a very busy guy! We have heard some very peculiar stories about “Moe”. Since Moe was a farm name, I wonder if Johan Andreas Muller (mentioned above) could possibly be the real name of Moe, and the same man? We had originally ruled out the Johan Johansen Moe person because we have about 40 cousins who have had their DNA sequenced and we are all matched to Julianne Marie Johansdatter who is our great grandmother or great-great grandmother to some. And we are also DNA matched to other children of her mother, Anne Marie Lorentzdatter, but we could not find a connection to Johan Johansen Moe- perhaps because we did not have the correct parents for him so we were looking at the wrong predecessors. I am thoroughly impressed with all the information that has come to light here in these recent posts! |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 08/04/2021 : 23:37:07
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Its a different Oline. She was born in 1840 and baptized in Var Frue church.
Where do you see 1840?
The Oline Randine born 20 Oct 1863 is listed with father Johan Andreas Johnsen Haabroen (16 Apr 1812 - 03 Sep 1871) in several sources. |
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jkmarler
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Searching for a Johan Johansen born 1813 i
