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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 13/11/2021 : 10:22:39
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You understand a lot of Norwegian
ĞEget hus i byenğ he owned a House in Kongsberg.
ĞLeie husğ rent a house
ĞMeget fattigğ Very poor, 16 could be a pension.
Pension i Kongsberg Silver-mines was from ca 1814 mandatoty. The silver mines had their own doctor and was the first to have free on every Saturday i Norway.
Eger is an old spilling for Eker, todays Eiker (Oak)
Stadspukkv means the towns Crushing Plant where the silver was separated
Widows with children had a small pension.
There were several uprisings in the 1700 in Kongsberg because of bad condition, espesially bad and expencive food. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/11/2021 : 14:03:48
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Kongsberg April 29, 1747.
Probate register after late Helene Pettersdatter Hachner.Heir is husband and miner Hans Andersen Jĉger.
Mentioned as heirs are also her brother Hendrich and sister Mari married to miner Stephen Aslachsen Bergh link |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/11/2021 : 16:23:35
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The origin og Jĉger is Danish. There are three familylines of Jĉger in Norway. No connection between this families are found.
- Thomas Knudsen Jĉger ca 1503-1581. Magister and priset
- Jĝrgen Ibsen Jĉger, Judge and inspector in Friesenborg in Jylland County, Denmark and his grandson Eprahim Jĉger 1737-1799, priset in Sogndal municipality, western Norway.
- Miller Jĝrgen Jĉger came to Norway with two sons Adam Gottlib Ferdinand Jĉger 1778-1837, member of the Norwegian Parliament and Bailiff Jens Nicolai Henrich Jĉger 1780-1846. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 13/11/2021 : 20:41:43
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Kaarto: I have been doing genealogy for many years, and have picked up a few Norwegian words. Usually I forget them or mix them up as time passes. The ToreL 8/11 post above brings in a 2008 Arkivvertket discussion on name Jaeger and the family. I have spent probably too much time on the origin of the name, but feel the answer lies in Kongsberg. The discussion names the father as Anders Christoffersen Schodtvenzel with no Jager. Nicolay Olsen Jaeger's descendants dropped the name after the move to Oyestad, and used the patronymic Nicolaisen. The three brothers that went to the U.S. all adopted the name Thompson, probably because they jumped ship. I wonder if they even considered using "Hunter" which would have kept an historic link. The information from the sĝlvverkets manntall 1732 says Ole and his brothers are living with their mother (must have been Oles' house). later in the discussion it again says Ole lives with his mother and has suffered injuries from shooting so he can no longer work in the mine; 16 year old Hans also lives there. I would like to know how this Mantall is researched if not on-line? Does injury from shooting = he was a Hunter?, 1801 census has the remaining family (Ole, 2nd wife, and young Nicolai) in a house in Skyde-banen (shooting range).
There are other names, used like farm names, in the Kongsberg Churchbooks: Hvams, Kjaers, Gaas and Finne. I have to check whether these are farms or perhaps informal names the miners may have given to their multi family houses and land.
I read that a miner needed 12 years service to qualify for a pension, but that can't be just for a widow and children pension? The thread indicates he collect himself if disabled? Son Nicolai Olsen Jaeger dropped dead in the mine at age 52 in 1802. He probably should have gotten a pension if he could!
Two generations starting in the mines at 10-12 years old makes me wonder what the protections were for them? Were there limits on hours/days? What about schooling?
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/11/2021 : 22:19:52
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Kongsberg Silver Mines kept schools for the children, many of the miners could read and write. At age 12 you could start working for the company, but only outdoor, mostly in "Pukkverket" one of the The crushing plants.
At age 18 you could marriage and start working in the mines where the salaries was higher.
There were ca 300 mines, the deepest and largets was the Kings Mine on 1050 meter.
There were several uprisings in the 1700, and the miners sent three delegations to the king i Denmark complaining abot non-payment of wages and bad food.
Conditions got a little better, but not enough to stop the dissatisfaction.
Around 1800 very little silver was found, and the state build Kongsberg Arms. The main reason for that was to rise an army to get out of the unwanted union with Sweden. Some years later the Company came across large deposits of silver.
Kongsbeg Arms is todays KDA
NSM missels from Kongsberg protect the air space around the White House. |
Edited by - Kċarto on 13/11/2021 22:25:03 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 13:31:35
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Found this in the church book,
Eiker 1705-1724 page 45 #112
I'm not an Expert in reading Ghotic, right page
Dominica: 2 = advent 8 december dĝbt Anders Christophersen fra Schodtzelven hans barn som heder Ole.
2 Sunday in advent, Dec 8. baptized Anders Christophersen from Skodselv his child named Ole
Right page 112
Skodselv is located to Bakke parish in Ĝvre eiker municipality, Hassel is located to Skodselv.
Ole had following siblings. Christopher 1705, Sidtzel 1707 (probably died young), Sidtzel 1712, Hans 1715 and Eli 1718.
The father died when the children were young, the widow moved to Kongsberg where she settled down.
The sons became Miners.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 16:23:32
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Kongsberg 1801.
Lars Nicolay Jĉger b ca 1776 married to Sidsel Sĝrensdatter Hvam, a daughter Margrethe. The other persons are renters link |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 20:21:30
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Kaarto- Thanks- you are a much better reader of gothic script than I am. I saw Anders on that page, and maybe Ole, but not much more. I certainly would not have read Skodselv. I am Trying to find the Skifte after Anders death. See links below. Can't find the probate card under Hov, Hare, Schodtzelven or Skodselv. Also, will try Roersrud from the skifte link, as the card will be easier to read. I did find one card for a 1722 Anders Christoffersen skifte, but the children's names were wrong. No luck finding marriage for Anders either. I did come across a marriage for Christoffer Andersen in Eiker to Maline Borgesdatter 6 July 1710. Probably different family unless the son got married at age 5.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081027610241
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:8Y1J-P26Z
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 21:16:28
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Andres Christophersen Jĉger must have marriied ca 1704-05.
If his wife was from another parish they could have married there
Probate registers are difficult to read. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/11/2021 : 10:55:48
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A Probate register starts with:
Anno, date and month.
Then the name of the late, heirs and name and age of the children.
Every small things were recorded.
I have seen even names of the milking cows in a probateregister from Telemark..
I started with Eiker 1717 and ends 1720.
Easy to overlook
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/11/2021 : 15:41:59
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I think I am wrong, but mark #19 right page, Mai 3. 1717 Sepult:(Buried) An....Christophersen?? age 60,5
Wish I could read Ghotic Link |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/11/2021 : 19:37:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Kċarto
I think I am wrong, but mark #19 right page, Mai 3. 1717 Sepult:(Buried) An....Christophersen?? age 60,5
Wish I could read Ghotic Link
I think its March rather than May, there are Aprilus dates on the next page. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 15/11/2021 : 19:39:45
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I see March on that link not Mai? Could that be the wrong link? I did find a 1722 page (link below) that the name is clear, age not so much; maybe 25? I have attached the 1722 skifte probate card. Could it be the older children were left out? Probably not right because farm is different as well.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220610349 -dode-1722
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20100224631792 - 1722 skifte index card for #276
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Kċarto
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Posted - 15/11/2021 : 20:26:50
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
quote:
Originally posted by Kċarto
I think I am wrong, but mark #19 right page, Mai 3. 1717 Sepult:(Buried) An....Christophersen?? age 60,5
Wish I could read Ghotic Link
I think its March rather than May, there are Aprilus dates on the next page.
You are right, it's March  |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2021 : 20:37:07
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quote:
Originally posted by halvelm1
I see March on that link not Mai? Could that be the wrong link? I did find a 1722 page (link below) that the name is clear, age not so much; maybe 25? I have attached the 1722 skifte probate card. Could it be the older children were left out? Probably not right because farm is different as well.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220610349 -dode-1722
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20100224631792 - 1722 skifte index card for #276
Anders Christophersen Haraldsrud, Modum municipality Link |
Edited by - Kċarto on 15/11/2021 20:40:07 |
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Kongsberg Marriages and Farm maps
