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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 08/11/2022 : 03:11:18
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Hello,
I would like to reapproach the search for Even Olsen, but a little bit differently than usual. Here are all the Sponsors/Witnesses from the 7 Baptism Entries, and below I have tried to transcribe them. If you could help me try to read the names and Farm names, I would much appreciate that!
Each Baptism Record is also attached to their Family Search here, See Page 6 in this thread:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7347&whichpage=6
Possible Even Olsen, See Page 1 in this thread:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7347
Farmnames: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_g%C3%A5rder_i_Ringerike
Norderhov (Ullerål sogn)
86: Hønen
87: Hov
88: Rua
89: Alme
90: Nærstad (Maybe this is Nordstadt?)
91: Lundstad (inkludert Eggeroa/Egge)
92: Vågård
93: Marigård
Click to view: https://ibb.co/WVqmjJZ
01-03 Mars 27 Houg (Norderhoug [Norderhov])
04-06 Aaase Mathea ???????
07-11 huusmand Even Olsen og huß Martha Helgesdatter Alme Eie
12-15 Haugensen Wigensen, Ole ... ... Nordstad Eie, Niels Larsen Norstad, Christian
16-18 ... Alme Eie, Marthe Halvorsd. Nordstad Eie, Arne Helgesd Wiol.
19-20 hu?d Even Olsen Eklieie og huß... Marthe Helgesd.
21-22 Paul ... ... bye, Ole Olsen ..., ... Olsen ..., Kari Olsen ...
23-24 Marthe Andersd. .... eie, Aase Fredriksd. ... Eli Olsd ...
25-27 h??? Even Olsen Tandbergseie og huß. Marthe Helgesd. ... ...
28-29 Ole Andersen Tandbergseie, Johan Halvorsen Tandberg, Ole Frideriksen
30-31 Tandbergseie, Ragnild Knuds. ..., Kari ... Tandberg
32-36 Even Olsen Tandberg Eie: Qværnbergsundet og huß. Marte Helgesdatter
37-40 Hans Andersen Eklie, Jon Ellingsen Vester??? Eie, Engebret Gutbrandsen
41-44 Sundet, Gunnild Ellingsdatter Eklie, Marthe Larsdatter ... Eie,
45 Sophie Thorsdatter
46-48 huusmand Even Olsen Marigaardeie og huß... Marte Helgesdatter
49-50 Karen Persdatter Norstadeie, Karen Poulsdatter ..., Kari Knuds
51-52 datter Hoveneie, Elling Helgesen Norstadeie, Christian Andersen ...
53-55 Huud. Even Olsen Marigaardeie og huß. Marte Helgesdatter
56-57 Elling Helgesen, Ole ..., Maria Knudsdatter, Karen Olsdatter,
58 Aase Mathea Evensd., ... ... Marigaardseie
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/11/2022 : 17:49:18
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quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Hello,
I would like to reapproach the search for Even Olsen, but a little bit differently than usual. Here are all the Sponsors/Witnesses from the 7 Baptism Entries, and below I have tried to transcribe them. If you could help me try to read the names and Farm names, I would much appreciate that!
Each Baptism Record is also attached to their Family Search here, See Page 6 in this thread:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7347&whichpage=6
Possible Even Olsen, See Page 1 in this thread:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7347
Farmnames: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_g%C3%A5rder_i_Ringerike
Norderhov (Ullerål sogn)
86: Hønen
87: Hov
88: Rua
89: Alme
90: Nærstad (Maybe this is Nordstadt?)
91: Lundstad (inkludert Eggeroa/Egge)
92: Vågård
93: Marigård
Click to view: https://ibb.co/WVqmjJZ
01-03 Mars 27 Houg (Norderhoug [Norderhov])
04-06 Aaase Mathea ??????? perhaps an abbreviated form of hjemdobt, meaning baptized at home
07-11 huusmand Even Olsen og huß Martha Helgesdatter Alme Eie
12-15 Haagensen Wigensen (the whole name on line 12 probably belongs to the entry just above, at any rate the first name is missing in the clip), Ole Christophersen ... ... Nordstad Eie, Niels Larsen Norstad, Christian
16-18 Evensen Alme Eie, Marthe Halvorsd. Nordstad Eie, Arne Helgesd Wiol.should be Anne not Arne
19-20 hu?d Even Olsen Eklieie og huß... Marthe Helgesd.
21-22 Paul Jespersen Halling... ... bye, Ole Olsen ..., ... prob a badly formed ibid Prob Mikkel Olsen Sorumseie..., Kari Olsen prob. ibid...
23-24 Marthe Andersd. Sorumseie, Aase Fredriksd ibid Eli Olsd ibid
25-27 h??? Even Olsen Tandbergseie og huß. Marthe Helgesd. ... ...
28-29 Ole Andersen Tandbergseie, Johan Halvorsen Tandberg, Ole Frideriksen
30-31 Tandbergseie, Ragnild Knuds. ibid meaning ditto Tandbergeie..., Kari Iversdtr... Tandberg
32-36 Even Olsen Tandberg Eie: Qværnbergsundet og huß. Marte Helgesdatter
37-40 Hans Andersen Eklie, Jon Ellingsen Vesteren also spelled Westeren??? Eie, Engebret Gutbrandsen what you see as a crossbar on the t is the extra mark above the letter u, so should say Gulbrandsen
41-44 Sundet, Gunnild Ellingsdatter Eklie, Marthe Larsdatter Hesselberg Eie,
45 Sophie Thorsdatter
46-48 huusmand Even Olsen Marigaardeie og huß... Marte Helgesdatter
49-50 Karen Persdatter Norstadeie, Karen Poulsdatter ..., Kari Knuds
51-52 datter Hoveneie prob Honeneie, Elling Helgesen Norstadeie, Christian Andersen ...
53-55 Huud. Even Olsen Marigaardeie og huß. Marte Helgesdatter
56-57 Elling Helgesen, Ole ..., Maria Knudsdatter, Karen Olsdatter,
58 Aase Mathea Evensd.,alle fra ... ... Marigaardseie
Some of the words are abbreviations, for instance huusmand can be abbreviated as hmd. The word before Marthe's name abbreviated or not is hustru meaning housewife. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 08/11/2022 21:41:06 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 09/11/2022 : 04:42:50
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| Thank you. I was really hoping to get anywhere with it, but it appears that you all were right all along and that Even Olsen is the only plausible candidate here. I had hoped I could disprove it, but I can't. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/11/2022 : 16:09:01
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Generally, one hopes with knowing the names of the faddere that there will be relatives amongst them or a repetition of certain names between the many baptisms that might reveal "invisible" threads.
Well, it doesn't appear that any of the surviving siblings or parents of Even Olsen ever served as sponsors (faddere, godparents) of his children. It appears in most cases that the godparents were of his class (husmand, eie ejet suffix on the farm name) and of the specific farms he was husmand on at the time of the baptism.
The eldest daughter Aase Mathea did service for the baptism of one of her younger siblings.
Another deeper dive would be to find if Even served any of his relatives' baptisms or just who Even might have served in that capacity. Along those same lines, to find if Even ever served as "best man" or bondsman for any other marriages. |
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dylankylesimon
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200 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2023 : 04:51:44
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Hello,
Here I am once again. So I have connected most of my DNA matches, but 45 DNA matches of my granduncle are not connected to any line. Therefore they could very likely be on the same line as Peter and Even Olsen. I am yet to make a DNA connection through Peter or his Ancestors.
Out of the 45 DNA matches, I was able to link 12 DNA matches to Isabelle Anderson and Johanna Anderson. Their parents are supposed to be Andrew and Maria (Mary) Anderson. Anna Anderson is supposedly the sister of Isabelle and her Obituary is the second attachment. Someone listed Andrews' Birthday as 29 Sep 1820 to Anders Olsen and Annie Asselson in Norway and someone else listed Mary as Mary Johannesdtr born 22 Mar 1817 to Johannes Olsen and Ingeborg Larsdatter in Ostfold, Norway. Mary and Andrew aren't Norwegian names, so I don't trust that research much, but want to provide that extra information. Additionally someone listed a Marriage of 11 Jul 1847 in Norderhov between Anders Andersen (Andrew) and Mari Johannesdatter.
I dug a bit around Andrew Anderson and Mary, and their parents may be Olsen/Olsdatter and they also may be from Norderhov, but most of it was just a biased try of mine to connect them in any way possible. Perhaps someone can finally make a connection between Even Olsen and maybe this DNA line.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/01/2023 : 12:19:57
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#58 birth / baptism of an Anna daughter of Anders Andersen and Mari Johannesdatter b 26 Aug 1849 in Krodsherad:
Krødsherad kirkebøker, SAKO/A-19/F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. 2, 1829-1851, p. 84
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051114030585
She left with her parents and one other person in 1850 from Sigdal (which included parishes of Sigdal, Eggedal and Krodsherad at the time) #49-52:
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0008: Parish register (official) no. I 8, 1850-1859, p. 430
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051110020776
Marriage of Anna Anderson to Peder Knutsen Feken :
MOWER A583 12/04/1872 KNUDSEN, PEDER ANDERSON, ANNE
Anna and her family in 1870 census Udolpho, Mower county, Minnesota:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDH4-XXK
The Fekens were from, I believe, Hemsedal in Hallingdal, Norway. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 09/01/2023 13:46:42 |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 02:09:11
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Those born in Krodsherad whose parents are Anders Olsen and Anne Tostensdatter:
Ingebor #4 under 1810
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. I 3, 1793-1811, s. 157-158
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312630437
Aase #16 in Krydsherad column (right page left column)
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. I 4, 1812-1815, p. 41
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640115
Barbra #5 in 1816:
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5 /3, 1815-1829, s. 138-139
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313610182
#26 death of Andres Olsen husman on Rishovd in Krodsherad:
Krødsherad kirkebøker, SAKO/A-19/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. 2, 1829-1851, s. 173
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051114030680
#1 death of poor person Anne Tostensdatter on Rishovd on 15 Jan 1860 in Krodsherad:
Krødsherad kirkebøker, SAKO/A-19/F/Fa/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. 3, 1851-1872, s. 257
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061101350429
Probably Anne Tostensdatter in the 1801 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058273003100 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/01/2023 03:26:04 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 12:42:32
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Mari Johannesdatter b 1816 parents are Johannes Olsen and Ingebor Olsdatter. Story and lineage of them are found in Gards og Slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal Bind I under a farm named Mellom Tonga or Monse Tonga page 541.
Ingeborg Olsdatter was born on Mellom Tonga in 1779. Her parents are Ola Olson from Gulsvik born abt 1745 died 1807. Ola Olsen married 1778 Birgit Torkjellsdatter (also called Berit Trulsdatter in various records) from ovre Tongo b.1744 d 1817. Ingeborg is the only listed child..
Ingeborg's father Ola Olsen's parents are a man named Ola Eivindsen (Evensen) no dates and Ingeborg Monsdatter from Monseplassen under Stavn. .Ola Olsen was an illegitimate child. But his parents married about 1749.
Ingeborg Monsdatter was born1711 and died after 1764. Information on her and her birth family are found in Gards og Slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal Bind IV page 724 under Monseplassen.
Ola Eivindsen was born 1718 and died 1757. His information is found in Gards og Slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal Bind III page870.
Birgit Torkjellsdatter's parents are Torkjell Olsen b 1708 d 1783 and Anne Torsdatter from Buoen b 1706 d abt 1771. Their story is found on page 475-476 in Flå 1, the same book cited before.
ingeborg married Johannes Olsen in 1804. They had at least four children a Mari born 1805 who died 1808, an Ole born 1806 who died 1809, an Ole born 1812 and Mari born 1816. They lived at Tonga until about 1820 and there is no other advance on the children nor death dates for the parents.
Johannes Olsen was born 1770 and his parents are Ola Olsen from Olasgarden Gulsvik b 1719 d abt 1774 and Mari Johannesdatter b 1727 d 1801 thought to be from Vestre Golberg in Gol. This information comes from Gards og Slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal Bind ii page 142-143 under a farm called Vesle Gandrud.
A good many of these lines can be advanced in the bydeboker of Flå.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 13/01/2023 13:26:26 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 14:00:59
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quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Hello,
Here I am once again. So I have connected most of my DNA matches, but 45 DNA matches of my granduncle are not connected to any line. Therefore they could very likely be on the same line as Peter and Even Olsen. I am yet to make a DNA connection through Peter or his Ancestors.
Out of the 45 DNA matches, I was able to link 12 DNA matches to Isabelle Anderson and Johanna Anderson. Their parents are supposed to be Andrew and Maria (Mary) Anderson. Anna Anderson is supposedly the sister of Isabelle and her Obituary is the second attachment. Someone listed Andrews' Birthday as 29 Sep 1820 to Anders Olsen and Annie Asselson in Norway and someone else listed Mary as Mary Johannesdtr born 22 Mar 1817 to Johannes Olsen and Ingeborg Larsdatter in Ostfold, Norway. Mary and Andrew aren't Norwegian names, so I don't trust that research much, but want to provide that extra information. Additionally someone listed a Marriage of 11 Jul 1847 in Norderhov between Anders Andersen (Andrew) and Mari Johannesdatter.
I dug a bit around Andrew Anderson and Mary, and their parents may be Olsen/Olsdatter and they also may be from Norderhov, but most of it was just a biased try of mine to connect them in any way possible. Perhaps someone can finally make a connection between Even Olsen and maybe this DNA line.
How much do you share with these people? |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 15/01/2023 : 07:14:21
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I do not share any DNA with them, but my granduncle (same line), shares between 8cM to 47cM, so 4th - 6th cousin.
Descendants of a brother or sister of Peter Evensen would be 3rd cousins, of Even Olsen they would be 4th cousins.
I (my DNA) have connected to a lot of other DNA matches below 47cM to my Family Tree.
For example, one 3rd cousin at 41cM DNA. A 4th cousin at 31cM. A 5th cousin at 25cM and with the mother to a 6th cousin at 11cM.
The point is, I think there is great potential to make a connection and maybe solve this puzzle. These matches aren't coming from Mattie's side, as I have matched with about 30 DNA matches there. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/01/2023 : 02:27:34
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Hey Jackie!
I am so sorry, I hadn't seen the other responses, so I only responded to one. I am not sure why I did not see them, but after adding most of your entries, I finally looked at the Anne Tostensdatter entry.
We have Aase Tostensdatter Skinneseie born Sep 1781 on Skinneseie, Krødsherad, died 26 Aug 1861 in Nymoen, Lunder, Ringerike.
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Originally posted by ToreL
14 Nov 1860 looks right. 45 years old; that suggests a baptism around 1815. Here is one; son Even born to Ole Evensen and Aasa Torkelsdatter at Tranbye-eie on April 13 1815:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000039161543
A plausible candidate, as your Even's oldest daughter was named Aase.
And this looks like the same person's confirmation record in 1830, even if the age is a little off, as is his mother's name:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630037 (No. 2)
The mother's patronymic In the original baptism record is barely readable, and could as well be Tostensdatter, as is written in the confirmation record. This is also what we find in the Geni profile: https://www.geni.com/people/Even-Olsen-Tranbyeiet/6000000000944963890?through=6000000000944963862
- Aasa is listed to be christened on 30 Sep 1781 in Krødsherad and listed as daughter of Tosten Gunbjørnsen Rishovdeie (b Abt. 1754 - d 1801) and Guri Reiulfsdatter Rishovdeie (b Abt. 1747 - d 1801).
- Here is the record for Aase from the Family Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHP2-TPY
- Maybe Gundbiorn, a brother? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHP2-JF9
- Tosten Gunbiornsen/Guri Reiulsdr Marriage? in Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWW3-VYV
- Tosten Gunbjørnsen Death Entry?: Birth Year 1750 Burial Date 04-01-1810 Sigdal/Krydsherred
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000001879724
- And a record in 1801 Norway Census, but no Anne and no Aase Tostensdatter https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3V2-K9GL?cc=3733603&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A8Y99-LD2M
- If Anne was 82 at her death, that would put her at 1778 right? I can't find an entry for Anne!
Did you solve the puzzle? If this entry would be correct, all research we done would all be correct as well.
I think in Anders Andersen's entry I am reading Rishovdeie? I am so excited right now!
All the DNA matches above were with Ancestry.com
I just made a DNA match through MyHeritage named Bjerke! The family tree above is from what would be the father of my 6th cousin. Jackie, after over 3 years, you finally solved the mystery!
Can we still find the entry for Anne, so that I could add the other 12? |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 18/01/2023 05:48:15 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/01/2023 : 07:42:42
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Here is an Anne Tostensdatter confirmation, #1 left column right page, note the farm name:
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. I 3, 1793-1811, s. 511-512
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640075
Baptism of Gundbjorn 2nd from top left column right page:
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. I 2, 1778-1792, s. 23-24
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312630175
Baptism of Aase 4th from top left column right page:
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. I 2, 1778-1792, s. 47-48
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312630187
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2023 : 00:15:59
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From Krodsherad Bind 1 Gard og Slekt by Andreas Morch published 1974 under Rishovd and the husmann's plass Rishovdeie on page 631 we find:
Torstein Gundbjornsen f 1750 g 1776 m Guri Reidulvsd. Råenhallen f 1747, 1. Anne 1777 g1809m Anders Olsen Rishovd; 2. Gunbjorn 1779 dode ant. i Redalen 1786, 3 Aase 1781 g1804m Ola Eivindsen Overneie i Soknedalen. Torstein dode her i 1810, Guri 1816, hun skulle da være 62 aar gl, men det stemmer ikke.
on page 632 we find:
Anders Olsen f 1791 g 1809 m Anne Torsteinsd. f 1777, barn: 1. Ingeborg 1810, 2 Aase 1813, 3. Barbur 1816 g 1836 m Hans Olsen skartumeie, var her, 4 Anders 1819, dode 1821, 5 Anders 1821.
Anders Olsen dode some husmann under Rishovd i 1838, Anne i 1860.
and page 629 under #20 Mjelhovd is this:
"Fra Mjelhovd reiste i 1850 ekteparet Anders Andersen f 1821 og Marit Johannesd. f 1820 me ei datter Anne f 1849, de drog til Amerika"
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