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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/02/2023 :  03:07:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote



Alright, well I personally think that this has not been approached in all avenues possible, considering that the Family Search Profiles of the Family have not been touched at all. I created a Working Family Tree in Ancestry as well, which will include all documents that I find and a link to the FamilySearch Profiles.

Did we check out Ole Larsen (35) on Wager in 1801 FT? Since Wager is Mari's Farm in the Marriage? https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/7

You also mentioned Olia Larsdatter Vager among the faddernes of the baptism of Ole's children. On Follum in the 1801 census, there Is a Olia Larsdatter (27) and Ole Larsen (18). In a residence below that is a Lars Larsen (40). I thought that was an odd coincidence. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/23

Is Sønderengen the last known confirmed Residence for Ole in 1814 on the Marriage, or is there something earlier?

I also thought that the only entry that we may find before Ole's and Mari's marriage would be a confirmation entry of Ole perhaps? I wrote the ones from Nr. 6 & 7 down.


- Ole Larsen Sønderengen b. before 1796 d. between 1827 and 1831 https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KHMK-YBT
- Mari Joensdatter Søndbye b. around 1795 (calculated) https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KZ41-NZ4
- Lars Larsen Sønderengen b. between 1752 and 1756 d. 10 Sep 1835 https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GVKT-S8L



Folketelling 1801 for 0613P Norderhov prgj.
- Joen Svendsen Søndbye (35)
- Else Halvorsdatter Søndbye (39)
- Marta Joensdatter Søndbye (9)
- Mari Joensdatter Søndbye (6) f. 1795 (calculated) https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/9
- Anne Johannisdatter Søndbye (21)

Ministerialbok nr. 5 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
1) - Ole Larsen Wegsteen 2 Nov 1777 to Lars Larsen Wegsteen and Johanne Haraldsdatter https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8525/42028/52

Ministerialbok nr. 6 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
- P. 74 - 75 Complete (Taking a break)

Ministerialbok nr. 8 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
- Ministerialbok nr. 8 Complete
- Johannes Olsen Sønderengen 14 Apr/15 May 1814 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42047/2
- Johanne Olsdatter Sÿndbye 9 Sep/5 Nov 1815 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42047/23
- John Olsen Søndbye 1 Jan/16 Feb 1817 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42047/59 br /

Ministerialbok nr. 9 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
- Ministerialbok nr. 9 Complete
- Lars Olsen Søndbye 8 Apr/16 Apr/20 Jun 1819 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/5
- Anne Olsdatter Søndbye 14 Jan/11 Jun 1821 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/39
- Peder Olsen Sundbye 10 Nov 1822/5 Jan 1823 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/77
- Maren Olsdatter Søndbye 30 Aug 1824/09 Jan 1825 ?
- Engebreth Østbye Ejet 5 Jun/20 Jul 1828 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/189

Klokkerbok nr. 2 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
- Johannes Olsen Sønderengen 14 Apr/15 May 1814 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84904/2
- Johanne Olsdatter Sÿndbye 9 Sep/5 Nov 1815 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84904/17
- Jon Olsen Søndbye 1 Jan/16 Feb 1817 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84904/39
- Lars Olsen Søndbye 8 Apr/16 Apr/20 Jun 1819 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84904/71
- Anne Olsdatter Søndbye 14 Jan/11 Jun 1821 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84904/94

Klokkerbok nr. 3 /1 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
- Peder Olsen Sundbye 8 Nov 1822/5 Jan 1823 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8533/84921/19
Klokkerbok nr. 4 Norderhov prgj. Born and baptized:
- Maren Olsdatter Søndbye 30 Aug 1824/09 Jan 1825 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8530/84912/32
- Engebret Olsen Østbye Eje 5 Jun/20 Jul 1828 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8530/84912/73

Ministerialbok nr. 6 Norderhov prgj. Confirmation:
- Ministerialbok nr. 6 Complete
- Ole Larsen Orina (18) 12 Apr 1795 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/1
- Ole Larsen *** (16) 17 Nov 1799 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/4
- Ole Larsen Taneberg (20) 4 May 1800 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/4
- Ole Larsen ibid (20) Jun 1804 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/14
- Ole Larsen *** (28) in Jan 1805 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/14
- Ole Larsen ibid (16) 9 Nov og 23 Nov 1806 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/9
- Ole Larsen *** (15 1/2) 24 Apr 1808 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/9
- Ole Larsen *aalrud (18) 12 Aug 1810 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/11

Ministerialbok nr. 7 Norderhov prgj. Confirmation:
- Ministerialbok nr. 7 Complete
- Ole Larsen Breien (18) in 1812 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8527/42041/2
- Ole Larsen Halsteenrud (18) in 1814 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8527/42041/3

Ministerialbok nr. 9 Norderhov prgj. Confirmation:
- Johanne Olsdatter (16) 2 Oct 1831 to afgang Ole Larsen Søndbye and Mari Jonsdatter Poulsrud https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8536/42059/43

Ministerialbok nr. 5 Norderhov prgj. Married:
- Engagement: 1777 Lars Larsen Schoje og Johanne Haralsdatter https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8525/50
- Marriage: 1777 Lars Larsen Wegsteen and Johane Haralsdatter https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8525/53

Ministerialbok nr. 7 Norderhov prgj. Married:
- Ole Larsen Sønderengen and Mari Johnsdatter Wager Married 1 Apr 1814 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8527/42044/2

Ministerialbok nr. 8 Norderhov prgj. Married:
2) - Lars Larsen Sønderengen (60) and Margit Sÿversdatter (50) Married 8 Jun 1816 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/202

Ministerialbok nr. 8 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and buried
- Ministerialbok nr. 8 Complete
3) - Ole Larsen dagefen (4) 2 Aug 1828 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42046/71
4) - Ole Larsen (80) 23 Mar 1829 SHO: Honenfos *** Tattejlem fra Oudalseie https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42046/75
5) - Ole Larsen (67) 04 May 1831 SHO: Lagdstand Bolgeneie https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42046/86

Ministerialbok nr. 9 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and buried
6) - Lars Larsen Sønderengen (83) 10 Sep/18 Sep 1835 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8536/42055/10 br /

Ringerike sorenskriveri Probate distribution protocol
- Lars Larsen Sønderengen Probate https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/25563/258

Klokkerbok nr. 2 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and buried
- Klokkerbok nr. 2 Complete
- Ole Larsen Lagesen (4) 2 Aug 1828 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84903/51
- Ole Larsen (80) 23 Mar 1829 SHO: *** Sattiglane paa Oeerdals Eie https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84903/54
- Ole Larsen (67) 4 May 1831 SGO: Logdelane Bolgne Eiet https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8529/84903/65

____________________
Calculations:
2) Lars Larsen (60) 8 Jun 1816 (would have been born 1756)
4) Ole Larsen (80) 23 Mar 1829 (would have been born 1749)
5) Ole Larsen (67) 04 May 1831 (would have been born 1764)
6) Lars Larsen (83) 10 Sep 1835 (would have been born 1752)

Candidate 1) Ole Larsen Wegsteen
Baptism: 2 Nov 1777 in Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8525/42028/52
Confirmation: Ole Larsen Tandberg (20) (estimated birth 1780) of 4 May 1800 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42033/4
FT 1801: Ole Larsen (23) (estimated birth 1778) living on Tandberg
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/5

dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/02/2023 :  03:14:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jackie, I cannot find your reasoning as to why exactly you gave up on Candidate 1) above Ole Larsen Wegsteen (1777).

In my opinion, the candidate matches:
a) Lars Larsen Sønderengen's estimated birth of 1752-1756
b) is not too distant from Mari Jonsdatter's estimated birth of 1795
c) is not too distant from the 67-year old Ole Larsen

Given, that there are absolutely no records of Ole Larsen's age in any of his children's entries or his marriage, plus that he was not listed with Lars Larsen on the 1801 FT, he may simply didn't know his own age?

Given the research, I can totally see him being the firstborn of Lars Larsen and Johanne Johanne Haralsdatter. Why?
d) If he was the firstborn, this would explain why he is mentioned in Lars Larsen Probate?
e) Wagsteen (Vegstein) and Tandberg (Tanberg) is right next to Sønderengen
f) Ole named his first child Johanne?
g) If Lars bought half of Sundby in 1810, then the above Ole Larsen wouldn't have carried that name before and this one doesn't but would do so after, as he does in the Marriage entry.

Call me crazy or a good storyteller, but this makes all sense to me and was found by y'all in your previous posts


Over time, if the original hypothesis is overwhelmingly supported by the greater scientific community, and if no experiments have proven it wrong, it becomes a theory. It's important to keep in mind that a theory is the best explanation of a phenomenon using the data that is currently available.


Edited by - dylankylesimon on 26/02/2023 04:32:10
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/02/2023 :  06:00:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon

Jackie, I cannot find your reasoning as to why exactly you gave up on Candidate 1) above Ole Larsen Wegsteen (1777).

In my opinion, the candidate matches:
a) Lars Larsen Sønderengen's estimated birth of 1752-1756
b) is not too distant from Mari Jonsdatter's estimated birth of 1795
c) is not too distant from the 67-year old Ole Larsen

Given, that there are absolutely no records of Ole Larsen's age in any of his children's entries or his marriage, plus that he was not listed with Lars Larsen on the 1801 FT, he may simply didn't know his own age?

Given the research, I can totally see him being the firstborn of Lars Larsen and Johanne Johanne Haralsdatter. Why?
d) If he was the firstborn, this would explain why he is mentioned in Lars Larsen Probate?
e) Wagsteen (Vegstein) and Tandberg (Tanberg) is right next to Sønderengen
f) Ole named his first child Johanne?
g) If Lars bought half of Sundby in 1810, then the above Ole Larsen wouldn't have carried that name before and this one doesn't but would do so after, as he does in the Marriage entry.

Call me crazy or a good storyteller, but this makes all sense to me and was found by y'all in your previous posts


Over time, if the original hypothesis is overwhelmingly supported by the greater scientific community, and if no experiments have proven it wrong, it becomes a theory. It's important to keep in mind that a theory is the best explanation of a phenomenon using the data that is currently available.





Yes but I'm always looking to perfect my information.

If for instance the death in Oslo is my Ole Larsen and the age given for him is correct, he would have been born about 1785. Three of Ole's boys went to Oslo to make their fortunes, rather than staying in Norderhov being dirt farmers, maybe they were following in their father's footsteps?

I have a totally different purpose than you. For me the joy of being there is getting there.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/02/2023 :  06:17:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon

Jackie, I cannot find your reasoning as to why exactly you gave up on Candidate 1) above Ole Larsen Wegsteen (1777).

In my opinion, the candidate matches:
a) Lars Larsen Sønderengen's estimated birth of 1752-1756
b) is not too distant from Mari Jonsdatter's estimated birth of 1795
c) is not too distant from the 67-year old Ole Larsen

Given, that there are absolutely no records of Ole Larsen's age in any of his children's entries or his marriage, plus that he was not listed with Lars Larsen on the 1801 FT, he may simply didn't know his own age?

Given the research, I can totally see him being the firstborn of Lars Larsen and Johanne Johanne Haralsdatter. Why?
d) If he was the firstborn, this would explain why he is mentioned in Lars Larsen Probate?
e) Wagsteen (Vegstein) and Tandberg (Tanberg) is right next to Sønderengen
f) Ole named his first child Johanne?
g) If Lars bought half of Sundby in 1810, then the above Ole Larsen wouldn't have carried that name before and this one doesn't but would do so after, as he does in the Marriage entry.

Call me crazy or a good storyteller, but this makes all sense to me and was found by y'all in your previous posts


Over time, if the original hypothesis is overwhelmingly supported by the greater scientific community, and if no experiments have proven it wrong, it becomes a theory. It's important to keep in mind that a theory is the best explanation of a phenomenon using the data that is currently available.





Yes but I'm always looking to perfect my information.

If for instance the death in Oslo is my Ole Larsen and the age given for him is correct, he would have been born about 1785. Three of Ole's boys went to Oslo to make their fortunes, rather than staying in Norderhov being dirt farmers, maybe they were following in their father's footsteps?

I have a totally different purpose than you. For me the joy of being there is getting there.



And that's why you are the best at what you are doing
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