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Scott Watkins
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 Posted - 06/03/2023 : 05:20:43
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Hi - are there any passenger lists, or ship departure schedules for April 1869 departing from Copenhagen? I have been searching for details for a Hans Hanson (b. 1836, Sweden) who had a police departure record for Copenhagen, April 14, 1869. My records have him on the Nova Scotian leaving Liverpool April 20, arriving Quebec April 30. According to Norway-Heritage the SS Oder ran the route from Copenhagen to Christiania (was Hans Hanson on this?), but then I don't have anything from Christiania to Hull. Any advice would be helpful. Writing a book about his grandson and hoping to get as many details as I can! Thanks in advance!!!
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Scott Watkins
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Posted - 06/03/2023 : 05:25:22
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| SO SORRY - I miss-typed. SS Oder April 16 from Christiania to Hull. I am looking for the ship Hans Hanson might have taken from Copenhagen to Christiania - |
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jkmarler
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Scott Watkins
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Posted - 06/03/2023 : 14:43:31
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| jkmarler - thank you so much for this link. I have actually used it before to find the people I am researching. Unfortunately it doesn't give the name of the ship or where it sailed to from Copenhagen. This link did, however, give me their contract number, and their final "indirekt" destination as Omaha. I believe they were on the SS Oder from Oslo (Christiania) to Hull, train to Liverpool, then on the SS Nova Scotian (Hans Hanson in April of 1869) and the SS Germany (Hanna and three boys in June, 1870). Do you happen to know what kind of ship/ferry service executed the route from Copenhagen to Christiania? That would be very helpful to me, even if there wasn't a passenger list for that route. Thanks so much. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 07/03/2023 : 02:13:00
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Danish Emigration Records
https://ddd.dda.dk/udvandrer/udvandr_soeg.asp?navn=Hansen&stilling=&alder=33&sidste_oph_sted=&s_sogn=&s_oph_amt=&best_by=Omaha&best_stat=&best_land=&kontraktens_nr=&aar=&maaned=
Swedish Emigration Records
Name: Hans Hansen
Birth Year: abt 1836
Place of Origin: Sverrig
Destination: Omaha City, N
Record Date: 14 apr 1869
Port of Departure: Köpenhamn
Database Name: EmiHamn
Occupation/Title: Landmand
Archive Call Number: 1948
Principal Person: Hansen Hans
Canada Incoming Passenger List
https://ibb.co/LxCSdbg
Name: Hans Hansen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1836
Arrival Date: Apr 1869
Arrival Port: Canada
Vessel: Nova Scotian
Not exactly sure how you tie in Norway here, since it appears to me that he went from Sweden, to Denmark, to Canada?
Your real question would be: What does "Indirekte" stand for here? The answer is: Indirekte billetter er udstedt af en dansk rejseagent, men gælder afsejling fra en ikke-dansk afsejlingshavn (oftest tysk eller engelsk) - i disse tilfælde er skibsnavnet ikke oplyst.
Indirect tickets are issued by a Danish travel agent, but apply to departures from a non-Danish departure port (most often German or English) - in these cases the ship name is not stated.
Is there a chance that Hans Hansen came on the Bark Moss?
Hans Hansen (b. 1836) came aboard the Bark Moss (Bark Moss, Capt. Hansen from Christiania Apr. 24 to Quebec June 23)
4th from Top Left.
Name: Hans Hansen
Arrival Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1836
Arrival Date: Jun 1869
Arrival Port: Canada
Vessel: Moss
The "Excellencen Toll" was a steamship sailing in a route between Christiania, Gothenburg and Copenhagen, calling at several smaller ports on the way. In 1863 she was mastered by Capt. O. Mattsson. She departed from Christiania for Gothenburg and Copenhagen every Tuesday at 7 o'clock am, calling at Drøbak; Horten, Moss, Vallø and Fredriksværn both ways. It arrived to Christiania every Sunday at 8 pm. Passengers were enrolled and gods expedited every Monday from 4 - 6 pm. at T. C. Kloed. It corresponded with the steamships "Moss" and "Foldin" at Fredriksværn. The above advertisement from Correspondenten Aug. 24, 1869, says that the Excellencen Toll would convey passengers to Copenhagen, where they could proceed on the American steamer "Fulton" for New York. The other announcement to the left is for the "Amerikanske Emigrant-Kompagni" and reveals that new, huge and well equipped 1st classed iron screw steamers would depart every week from Copenhagen for New York. The first ship for the season would be the S/S Denmark to depart on April 15th. General agent was O. Svendson. The S/S Denmark was owned by the National Line |
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Scott Watkins
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Posted - 07/03/2023 : 20:09:14
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| DylanKyleSimon - AWESOME! I actually have this information. The only piece of the puzzle was how he/they got to Christiania. I guess there isn't a record of that. I am thinking most likely that Hans was on the Nova Scotian from Liverpool, and the Oder (a feeder ship for the Nova Scotian) from Oslo to Hull. Hanna was on the Germany from Liverpool, and possibly the Hero (a feeder ship for the Germany) from Oslo to Hull. I thought about the Bark Moss but I am thinking maybe that Hans either wanted to take the exact route his wife and sons would take a year later, or that the Bark was too slow and therefore took too long. THANK YOU for all the research you did. I will definitely use this material!!! May I quote - or at least acknowledge - you? |
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Scott Watkins
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Posted - 07/03/2023 : 20:12:21
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| so even though the departure record says Copenhagen, that doesn't mean they departed from Copenhagen? |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 09/03/2023 : 02:07:34
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Hey,
I couldn't be sure, as with my 3rd great-grandfather who immigrated to the US in 1870, it said that he came from Germany on the Passenger list, although he emigrated from Norway. I can imagine that these travels were very hectic, and poorly organized and the records were probably done quickly as well. This is also what I got from the movie/novel "The Emigrants".
The novel-series describes the long and strenuous journey for a party of emigrants from the province of Småland, Sweden, to Minnesota in the United States in 1850, coinciding with the beginning of the first significant wave of immigration to the United States from Sweden. I highly recommend reading or watching the novel/movie to get a better understanding.
Based on the records alone, he may have traveled by the "Excellencen Toll" which traveled the route Christiania - Gothenburg - Copenhagen, mentioned in my last entry, but I could not be certain about that. You probably also won't find a record of those. Nowadays, we have access to a lot of records that pinpoint our ancestors in certain areas by location but it is somewhat up to us to interpret or write their stories, if they weren't documented later.
On this Forum ToreL and Jackie probably know best what might have happened throughout these times, nonetheless, the novel/movie gives you a very good idea as well.
Cheers,
Simon
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Scott Watkins
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Posted - 09/03/2023 : 19:03:03
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Dear Simon -
THANK YOU so very much for taking the time to write to me and to converse with me. Writing a book (of course you understand) I intend to track down every lead. Can you tell me anything about the ship Excellencen Toll? I agree with you that they probably used this vessel to perhaps get to Christiania and another ship (most likely the Oder or Hero) to get to Hull. That's the best I can determine. It's good to know about the record-keeping (or lack of it). I had thought about watching "The Emigrants." I did not know it was also (or first) a novel! Do you believe it portrays the emigration act accurately? Thank you again for all of your information and time!! GREATLY appreciated!!!
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