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davidcarlsen
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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 11/12/2023 : 04:00:55
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Ringerike is a great place! Just kidding, it is just where most of my family is from. Ringerike is a kommune "municipality" in Buskerud county! At one time it was Buskerud, today it is Viken county, but they are reverting it back to Buskerud county in the future.
Before it was Ringerike, it was known as Norderhov and Hønefoss is the administrative center of Ringerike. Ringerike also borders Oslo, Ringerike on the left, Oslo on the right.
Looks like they all adapted the last name Johansen, but it should be the below:
Johan Gustav Carlsen's Birth and Baptism
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020380543
I didn't find Kristine Carlsdatter.
There is an Alfred Carlsen Birth in 1880 in Aker, Akershus between Carl Johansen and Maren Johansen, maybe your Alfred.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000029144131
A Kristine daughter of a Maren Olsdatter Alme in 1870, maybe Carl Johansen was not the father of her, not sure:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1113/84
Johan Gustav's entry mentions Myhre which probably is the same farm where my 3rd great-grandmother was born, she also relocated to Alme at some point. They are right next to each other.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 11/12/2023 : 05:36:20
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Is that map available somewhere ?
Also what is the significance of the number notations beneath the mother's name in John Gustav's record ?
I have looked at the Alfred record and do not believe it is a match. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 11/12/2023 : 06:23:47
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Originally posted by davidcarlsen
Is that map available somewhere ?
Also what is the significance of the number notations beneath the mother's name in John Gustav's record ?
I have looked at the Alfred record and do not believe it is a match.
Yes of course, here https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart
Type in Alme, and look near Hønefoss. If you type in Myre, you won't get a hit there.
I would assume that the 26 1/2 is Carl Johansen's age, and the 25 being Maren's age. Not sure what the 1 stands for as it doesn't make sense that it is the age of Johan Gustav. If that were the case, then the entry above would be 14 years, 14 weeks, 14 days, all of which doesn't make sense to me.
@Jackie, any insights? |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 11/12/2023 : 07:23:10
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/12/2023 : 13:25:01
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Originally posted by davidcarlsen
Is that map available somewhere ?
Also what is the significance of the number notations beneath the mother's name in John Gustav's record ?
I have looked at the Alfred record and do not believe it is a match.
The numbers are the ages of the parents and length of time in years of their marriage.
Why not on Alfred? Please note one of the faddere (witnesses) is a man named Anton Sorenson and an Anton Sorenson is living with the family in the 1885 census....
The Nils Nilsen father of Kristine is on Lundstad which is also pictured on your map. There is some kind of attest filed for Kristine dated 1 Nov 1892 noted on her baptism. Likely means she got an attest for marriage or move....
Also Maren's marriage to Carl #41 :
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0013: Ministerialbok nr. 13, 1866-1874, s. 372
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111040334
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jkmarler
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 11/12/2023 : 23:07:38
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2023 : 19:37:16
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such as where is ringerike.
David
You might be interested in the history of Ringerike. Tore hinted at it when in your other post he referred to it as a traditional district in Norway. The history of some place names such as Ringerike goes back a long ways. Here are some links that will give you a good view of the changes through the years of Ringerike.
Ringerike / Rånrike / Hringarík / Viken (Norway)
https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/ScandinaviaNorwayRingerike.htm
Ringerike (traditional district)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringerike_(traditional_district)
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2023 : 19:54:37
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Ringerike is also municipality in current Norway. Here is some information on it today.
"Ringerike (municipality)
Ringerike is a municipality in the traditional and electoral district Buskerud in Viken county, Norway. It is part of the traditional region of Ringerike. The administrative centre of the municipality is the town of Hønefoss.
The municipality of Ringerike was created on 1 January 1964 after the merger of the town of Hønefoss and the rural municipalities of Hole, Norderhov, Tyristrand, and Ådal. However, the area of Hole was removed from the municipality of Ringerike on 1 January 1977 to become a separate municipality once again. The historic area of Ringerike included not just the modern municipality of Ringerike but also Hole and Krødsherad, Modum, and Sigdal.[4]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringerike_(municipality)
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2023 : 20:05:35
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I do not think that it was ever a parish (prestegjeld) or even a sub-parish (sogn).
Thus no records are found in DA under Ringerike parish or sub-parish. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2023 : 22:09:27
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Death of Maren Olsdatter #21 bottom half of page:
Kampen prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10853/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1885-1892, s. 103
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060921050794
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 13/12/2023 : 23:11:44
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| Thank you. This is all very helpful. Where is Kampen ? I think maybe Karl(Carl Henry) born 1885 may be found there. Maren died in 1886 and somewhere thereafter My great grandmother came into the picture. Lots to do. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2023 : 23:35:06
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ToreL
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Posted - 13/12/2023 : 23:55:16
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Originally posted by davidcarlsen
Where is Kampen ?
Kampen is (or at least was) a parish in East central Oslo. I read the address of the deceased to be Hølandsgt 47. Only addresses with even numbers in this street seem to exist today, but the street is here. If you compare with this 1901 map you see that Hølandsgata used to extend further North East, into present day Elverumsgata. Just North of Hølandsgata you see Kampen church.
I read the cause of death to be phthisis, i.e., tuberculosis. |
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Henriette Kristine SORENSD
