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carl johnson
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 Posted - 22/04/2024 : 19:33:22
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I have brought this subject over from the general Norwegian genealogy. I am trying to find out what happened to my great aunt who had the married name of Sarah Larkin living in Chicago Illinois sometime around 1900.https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8323/126" target="_blank">This is her birth record
‘ToreL’ found her emigration under the name ‘Cesilia Larsdatter Grane’ (Graue) which helped establish a pre 1880 possibility for a USA census clue but I can not find any information about a Sarah Larkin living in Chicago in 1900.
This is where she was mentioned in her brother John J Larson’s biography
John J. Larson, a prominent and successful business citizen of Whatcom, owning and operating the finest livery line in this city, was born in Voss, Norway, January 27, 1864. He is the son of Lars and Ingeborg (Maringa) Larson, the former of whom was born in 1817 and is a resident of Graue, Norway, where he was engaged in farming and logging. The mother is also a native and resident of Norway. Our subject has three brothers and two half-brothers, two half-sisters and two sisters: Anders, aged fifty-four years; Lars, aged fifty-two years; Neils, aged forty-three years; William B., of Whatcom; Mrs. Anna Helgeson, of Britt, Iowa; Bertha, of Wisconsin; Mrs. Sarah Larkin, of Chicago; and Mrs. Belle Olson, of Seattle.
I have become pretty self-reliant on my research, but I have come to a 11 year dead end on her and what happened to her.
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Edited by - carl johnson on 22/04/2024 19:55:55 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/04/2024 : 03:23:18
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| Have you looked for an obituary for John J Larson? He died at Bellingham in 1907. |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 23/04/2024 : 18:14:03
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Yes, I have seen his obituary. The biography that was done about five years previous had more information about siblings and their names.
The large brick building that John Larson built back in the 1890s still stands in Bellingham Washington. It is now occupied by Puget Sound energy and is a historical landmark. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 09:27:57
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What about obits for the other siblings? The reason I'm on about this is I have looked and looked but I find no female Sarah Larkin born Norway not in Chicago nor anywhere, so I'm kind of thinking there may be a problem with the name spelling, interpretation, or even a typo in it in the original source ?
(But because I was looking, did find an Anna Larcom of the correct age in my area but she was from Sigdal, so cannot be yours.) |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 15:18:12
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Originally posted by jkmarler
What about obits for the other siblings? The reason I'm on about this is I have looked and looked but I find no female Sarah Larkin born Norway not in Chicago nor anywhere, so I'm kind of thinking there may be a problem with the name spelling, interpretation, or even a typo in it in the original source ?
(But because I was looking, did find an Anna Larcom of the correct age in my area but she was from Sigdal, so cannot be yours.)
Thank you so much for looking. Yes there is a possibility of a spelling issue. This has become an issue I revisit quite often and every time I come up empty so I was hoping a fresh person or group of people on the topic might find Sarah . All of her siblings died long before my great grandfather William B Larson born November 19, 1866 Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Died February 20, 1935 Oakland, Alameda, California, United States (Sarahs sibling) died in 1935 in Oakland, California. I have found that during the depression, especially in California the only newspaper notification of person of no notoriety was just a snippet of date of death. Sarah’s brother John was a man of notoriety so that is why all the siblings were mentioned in his biography. It is always been my hope that having a firm birthdate for somebody in Illinois would have given me a Sarah with a birthdate and a death date, but she may have died before Social Security was a government program in the United States. |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 18:54:05
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Cecilia immigrated to North America in 1874. I’m assuming New York or Boston or one of the coastal cities. Would there be a record prior to 1890 when Ellis Island opened?
——Prior to 1890, individual states, rather than the Federal Government, regulated immigration into the United States. Castle Garden (now Castle Clinton), located in the Battery of Manhattan, served as the New York State immigration station from 1855 to 1890. Approximately eight million immigrants passed through its doors, mostly from Northern European countries; this constituted the first large wave of immigrants to settle and populate the U.S.——
Jon Guttormson Larsgård and Anna Eriksdatter Orm Common
Possible time of arrival in New York S/S Celtic (1), White Star Line November 30, 1874 New York? |
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Edited by - carl johnson on 24/04/2024 22:42:05 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 20:52:07
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There are many emigrant arrival records on Ancestry.com before 1874. Most of them start about 1865. Here for example is that for New York.
New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
I have taken a cursory look but was not able to find her.
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 21:20:56
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Below Cecilia are Olaf Renstrøm and his wife Anna. They are probably this couple arriving in Quebec. They left about two weeks later than Cecilia
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/9/og00000000656615
Olaf Rendstrom
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name Olaf Rendstrom
Gender Male
Arrival Age 41
Birth Year abt 1833
Departure Port Liverpool, England; Moville, Ireland
Arrival Date 13 Sep 1874
Arrival Port Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel Sarmatian
Probably going to Milwaukee?
https://u.cubeupload.com/AntonHagelee/Screenshot20240424at.png
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 21:47:58
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A better comparison is Ingeborg Thomasdtr Legreid and her two daughters who arrived in Philadelphia on Sep 1. Although the ages of the daughters are way off in the arrival manifest. Or even if these are the correct people?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000657214
Inglebury Thawardaker
in the Pennsylvania, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1798-1962
Name Inglebury Thawardaker
Gender Male
Arrival Age 50
Birth Date abt 1824
Departure Place Liverpool, England
Arrival Date 1 Sep 1874
Arrival Place Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship Indiana
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carl johnson
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Posted - 24/04/2024 : 22:50:35
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| For some reason, I was reading the departure date the way Europeans read day before month, so I thought she left in November but apparently Ceciia left September 11th from Liverpool? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/04/2024 : 00:59:49
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Cecilia left Bergen on August 11, 1874. ie 1874-08-11. Probably arrived about September 1, 1874. Where she arrived has not been found yet.
That is determined from the record for Ingeborg Thomasdtr Legreid and her two daughters.
Ingeborg Thomasdtr Legreid left Bergen on 1874-08-11 and as best as I can determine she and two people (maybe her daughters with close names but wrong ages) arrived in Philadelphia on Sep 1, 1874.
Where do you find that she left Liverpool on Sept 11? |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 25/04/2024 : 15:12:49
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Originally posted by AntonH
Cecilia left Bergen on August 11, 1874. ie 1874-08-11. Probably arrived about September 1, 1874. Where she arrived has not been found yet.
That is determined from the record for Ingeborg Thomasdtr Legreid and her two daughters.
Ingeborg Thomasdtr Legreid left Bergen on 1874-08-11 and as best as I can determine she and two people (maybe her daughters with close names but wrong ages) arrived in Philadelphia on Sep 1, 1874.
Where do you find that she left Liverpool on Sept 11?
Yes, it is Bergen and not Liverpool. I must have just been looking at another ledger. Thank you again for the effort on this. I really appreciate it.
Having as many eyes on this with the experience on this form, I’m sure somehow there is a clue that I have missed. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/04/2024 : 22:38:14
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So maybe the transformation of her name was gradual?
Here is a marriage that occurred in 1887 in Cook county
GREEN, SAMUEL S LARSON, SELIA 1887-04-16 00113193 COOK |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 26/04/2024 : 02:07:21
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Originally posted by jkmarler
So maybe the transformation of her name was gradual?
Here is a marriage that occurred in 1887 in Cook county
GREEN, SAMUEL S LARSON, SELIA 1887-04-16 00113193 COOK
I tried using a typical search on family search and came up with nothing. Is that a link because if it is, it doesn’t work on my computer. |
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jkmarler
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Sarah Larkin born Cecilia Larsdatter
