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Diane Scramstad
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Posted - 06/08/2024 :  23:27:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Møre og Romsdal, SAT/A-1454/572/L0848: Parish register (official) no. 572A11, 1865-1876, p. 44
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20071017610345

I have found a birth which Edvard Andersen is the father in Kristiansund July 1870

It's line 76 babies name is Ingeborg Pauline she lived 21 days.

Mom is Randi Paulsdatter.

Can anyone tell me what has been written about them. I'm hoping for a lead to track either Edvard or Randi.
Diane Scramstad

AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  02:31:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For the record

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000004409862
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  03:53:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have not found a Randi Poulsdatter or Paulsdatter in the 1875 Census living in Kristiansund.

There are 9 candidates living in More og Romsdal in the same census.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&jt%5B%5D=5&c%5B%5D=15&firstname=randi&lastname=pouls*&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=
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ToreL
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  11:19:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The record you post is hard reading. It is a burial record, but there is probably no corresponding baptism record: "Hjemmedøpt af Gjordmoder" (home baptised by the midwife) is written at the bottom, suggesting there was no subsequent church baptism. The transcription posted by Anton makes no attempt at the more tricky parts of the record, and the word after the father's name does not look like Dømmen to me. I suggest you post a query at an expert handwriting forum. The people helping out at the forum below are amazing. You need to register to post, but that is free. No problem posting in English.

https://slektogdata.no/slektsforum/viewforum.php?f=2352&sid=5039541a97e681d6af53cab77fa71d6a

Edit about father's farm name: You render it as Doniem, probably because you don't have an ö or an ø on your keyboard, while the AMF transacription writes Dømmen. My personal guess would be Døndem, which could be an alternative spelling for Dønnem farm, located in Gjemnes.
Edited by - ToreL on 07/08/2024 12:26:17
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Diane Scramstad
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  16:27:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks to Torel and Anton for help and suggestions.
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  18:36:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Might be of interest that in the 1875 Census, I posted above, there is one Randi Paulsdatter listed from Kvernes parish. Also the location is fairly close to Kristiansund.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052349000058

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Møre_og_Romsdal_County,_Norway_Genealogy
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  18:42:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another of interest is an Edevard Andersen vaccinated in 1854. Farm name is Dønnum. Parish is Gjenmes.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/315/pz00000000182319
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  18:46:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe this guy.

Edvard Andersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name Edvard Andersen
Gender Male
Birth Date 8. mar 1844 (8 Mar 1844)
Baptism Date 5. mai 1844 (5 May 1844)
Baptism Place , Ore I Tingvoll, More Og Romsdal, Norway
Father
Anders Ellefsen
Mother
Aase Thoresdr
FHL Film Number 125038

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/20068966:60092?tid=&pid=&queryId=0d486e98-65b9-453c-b41d-559f82ac20f7&_phsrc=jac1&_phstart=successSource
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  19:20:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps Aase

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000002558495
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  20:11:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It may be helpful to know what caught your interest in this particular record. Are you trying to determine if it concerns people that you are already researching? In that case it would be good to know what you already know about them. Are you looking for an Edvard Andersen who might have been a sailor? It looks like the funeral record at top might be describing the father Edvard as Ungkar og matros; bachelor and sailor.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  21:26:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The earlier topic on Edvard:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7435
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Diane Scramstad
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Canada
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Posted - 07/08/2024 :  22:02:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

It may be helpful to know what caught your interest in this particular record. Are you trying to determine if it concerns people that you are already researching? In that case it would be good to know what you already know about them. Are you looking for an Edvard Andersen who might have been a sailor? It looks like the funeral record at top might be describing the father Edvard as Ungkar og matros; bachelor and sailor.


I was looking for death records for Edvard Andersen and Gabriel Andersen Rodahl in Kristiansund as there is no record for Gabriel after 1865 census and Edvard after 1870 census and came across death of Ingeborg Pauline and wondered if this would be the Edvard I have been looking for.

I do realize that there is a different thread for these two and family
Diane Scramstad
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ToreL
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Posted - 08/08/2024 :  11:30:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, so you were looking for records after 1870 concerning sailor Edvard Andersen Døneim, born March 8 1844. Now the father in the post above was a sailor with a link to a "Døndem" farm. Døndem could easily be Dønnem, and Døneim appears to be yet another spelling. This can be seen from the 1865 census, where Døneim and Dønnemsmyren are listed (with just one farm between them) in the same census district, while on a modern map they are called Dønnem and Dønnemsmyra.

Here (bottom) is his record in a Kristiansund sailors' roll. Note the match in date of birth. As you can see, he had ventured to England, the Mediterranian, Rio Janeiro, Spain and Sweden. (The last destination is hard to interpret.) There is a parenthesis saying (brun, brun, middels, intet); brown, brown, medium, nothing, which I guess refers to color of eyes and hair, stature and distinguishing features respectively.
Edited by - ToreL on 08/08/2024 11:45:50
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Diane Scramstad
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Posted - 08/08/2024 :  17:33:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

OK, so you were looking for records after 1870 concerning sailor Edvard Andersen Døneim, born March 8 1844. Now the father in the post above was a sailor with a link to a "Døndem" farm. Døndem could easily be Dønnem, and Døneim appears to be yet another spelling. This can be seen from the 1865 census, where Døneim and Dønnemsmyren are listed (with just one farm between them) in the same census district, while on a modern map they are called Dønnem and Dønnemsmyra.

Here (bottom) is his record in a Kristiansund sailors' roll. Note the match in date of birth. As you can see, he had ventured to England, the Mediterranian, Rio Janeiro, Spain and Sweden. (The last destination is hard to interpret.) There is a parenthesis saying (brun, brun, middels, intet); brown, brown, medium, nothing, which I guess refers to color of eyes and hair, stature and distinguishing features respectively.



Thank you Torel for the time and patience you made me smile today. This is the Edvard I was looking for. What a wonderful find.

This adds to my grandmothers journal about the sea stories her dad Edvard Olufsen told. He must have heard them from his uncle Edvard Andersen.
Diane Scramstad
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Diane Scramstad
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Posted - 09/08/2024 :  23:08:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diane Scramstad

quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

OK, so you were looking for records after 1870 concerning sailor Edvard Andersen Døneim, born March 8 1844. Now the father in the post above was a sailor with a link to a "Døndem" farm. Døndem could easily be Dønnem, and Døneim appears to be yet another spelling. This can be seen from the 1865 census, where Døneim and Dønnemsmyren are listed (with just one farm between them) in the same census district, while on a modern map they are called Dønnem and Dønnemsmyra.

Here (bottom) is his record in a Kristiansund sailors' roll. Note the match in date of birth. As you can see, he had ventured to England, the Mediterranian, Rio Janeiro, Spain and Sweden. (The last destination is hard to interpret.) There is a parenthesis saying (brun, brun, middels, intet); brown, brown, medium, nothing, which I guess refers to color of eyes and hair, stature and distinguishing features respectively.



Thank you Torel for the time and patience you made me smile today. This is the Edvard I was looking for. What a wonderful find.

This adds to my grandmothers journal about the sea stories her dad Edvard Olufsen told. He must have heard them from his uncle Edvard Andersen.



Torel, I looked at all the sailors and realized that only 2 sailors had a red x by their name. One being Edvard, then I went to the far right hand side and tried to figure out the writing to try and translate, I think I found bye and destroyed. Would this mean he had died ?
Diane Scramstad
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ToreL
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Posted - 10/08/2024 :  15:58:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are parts of the record I can't interpret. What you refer to, is a notice that his old (?) sailor's license had been returned and destroyed. I suppose there could be msny reasons for this.
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