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ToreL
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AntonH
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 Posted - 20/03/2025 : 19:51:21
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This is likely Hans Martin Thorsen and his first wife and first child in the 1910 Census
Name Harald Henning Thorsen
Gender Mannlig (Male)
Marital Status Ugift (Single)
Birth Date 17. nov 1908 (17 Nov 1908)
Birth Place Porsgrund
Apartment Etasje 2den Leilighetsnummer 02
Residence Place Porsgrunn, Telemark, Norge (Norway)
Relation to Head Sønn (Son)
Settled or Nomadic B
Counting District Schweigaards Gate 369
Counting District Number 0031
Enumeration District Number 003
Household members
Name Age
Hans Thorsen 27
Astri Thorsen 25
Harald Henning Thorsen 2
Gunda Andersen 19
Sally Jensen 16
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036514003332
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/03/2025 : 19:57:23
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The marriage of Hans Martin and Astrid.
Astrid Stefaine Christensen
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name Astrid Stefaine Christensen
Marriage Age 23
Record Type ekteskap (Marriage)
Birth Date 1885
Birth Place Skien
Marriage Date 31. jan 1908 (31 Jan 1908)
Marriage Place Skien, Telemark, Norge (Norway)
Marriage Municipality Skien
Residence Place Skien
Father
Gustav Christensen
Spouse
Hans Martin Thoresen
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60606/records/97473918 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/03/2025 : 20:06:03
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There are several well sourced family trees for both Astrid and Hans Martin with no sign of any connection to the family of Gunnar Knudsen former Prime Minister of Norway,
Firstt wife
Astrid Stefania Christensen
1885–
BIRTH 6 DEC 1885 • Skien, Telemark, Norway
Father is
Gustav Ferdinand Christensen
1857–1928
BIRTH 7 JULY 1857 • Skien, Telemark, Norway
DEATH 20 APRIL 1928 • Skien, Telemark, Norway
Mother is
Marie Kristine Pedersen
1859–1933
BIRTH 21 AUG 1859 • Copenhagen, Kobenhavn, Denmark
DEATH 4 FEB 1933 • Skien, Telemark, Norway
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Edited by - AntonH on 20/03/2025 20:12:58 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/03/2025 : 20:18:00
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Probably the death of son Harald Henning in 1908
Harald H Thorsen
in the Web: Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
Name Harald H Thorsen
Death Date 13. mai 1989 (13 May 1989)
Burial Date 14. sep 1989 (14 Sep 1989)
Burial Place Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Age 80
Birth Date 17. nov 1908 (17 Nov 1908)
Death
Harald living with his grandparents in 1920 Census
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01073829001525
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/03/2025 : 21:23:48
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Marriage of Hans Olai Gudmundsen and Anna Marta in 1880
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000516065
Hans Olai Gudmundsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926Name Hans Olai Gudmundsen
Gender Male
Marriage Date 1. jul 1880 (1 Jul 1880)
Marriage Place Aalesund,More Og Romsdal,Norway
Spouse
Anne Martha Olsdr
FHL Film Number 306985
Marriage
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Edited by - AntonH on 20/03/2025 21:29:40 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/03/2025 : 21:32:25
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The family in the 1891 Census
Anna Margrete Hansdtr.
in the 1891 Norway Census
Name Anna Margrete Hansdtr.
Gender Kvinne (Female)
Relation to Head Datter (Daughter)
Birth Date jan 1890
Birth Place Ørlandet
Residence Place Ørlandets, Ørland, Sør-Trøndelag (Sor-Trondelag), Norge (Norway)
Counting District Number 9
Houselist Number 25
Person Number 6
Household Members (Name) Relation to Head
Hans Olai Gudmundsen
Familiens overhode (Head)
Anne Martha Olsdatter
Hustru (Wife)
Ole Hanssen
Søn (Son)
Martin Olai Hanssen
Søn (Son)
Gustav Alfred Hanssen
Søn (Son)
Anna Margrete Hansdtr. Datter (Daughter)
Gerhardine Berntine Albrigtsd.
Tjenestetyende (Domestic)
Kirsti Nilsdtr. Rulbrandstad
Logerende hørende til Familien (Lodger)
Ole Ingebrigtsen
Svigerfader (Father-in-law)
Johanna Kristiansdatter
Svigermoder (Mother-in-law)
Oline Margarethe Gabrielsdatter
Tjenestetyende (Domestic)
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ToreL
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Posted - 21/03/2025 : 08:20:02
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As Anton notes above, we have found no connection between the Elsa Thorsen above, and Gunnar Knudsen. But given that (according to the failrly complete Digitalarkivet database) this Elsa was just one of two girls in Norway named Else/Elsa and born on 28/10-21, and that so much of the other information matches, including losing both parents as a child, coming from a shipping family, having last name Thorsen, etc, I think there should be little doubt about the identity.
In addition, there is also a matter of geographical vicinity. Gunnar Knudsen was born in Arendal, but (according to this article) his father founded -- and Gunnar expanded -- a shipyard at Frednes in present-day Porsgrunn in 1855, which he transferred to his sons in 1872. Hans Martin Thorsen was baptised at Eidanger church in present-day Porsgrund, while the family lived at Herøya (Herøen), also in present-day Porsgrunn, and next to Frednes. According to this document, Hans Martin's father founded a shipyard a little further south, at Gamle Langesund, in 1876.
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Cranston
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Posted - 21/03/2025 : 15:45:50
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| ToreL - I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart - you have answered my prayers. I cannot thank you enough. The family lore has it that Gunnar Knudsen was her Grandfather but I cannot link him to her parents....any ideas? Thank you again Jean |
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Cranston
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Posted - 21/03/2025 : 16:08:07
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| Also did you come across her brothe Hans? |
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ToreL
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Posted - 21/03/2025 : 20:04:21
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Originally posted by Cranston
Also did you come across her brothe Hans?
I found bothing about brother Hans, beyond the information that two children from their marriage were orphaned after the parents' demise. There is a 100-year privacy clause on relevant documents, so more information may be available in a few years. In particular, the probate documents after the mother's death may become available electronically in 4-5 years. If this is close family of yours, you may apply for access sooner.
Regarding Gunnar Knudsen, my guess is there might have been close personal ties between the families, perhaps misrepresented as family ties in family lore. Perhaps a search for menbers of one family appearing as sponsors at baptisms in the other family might yield results. I didn't see anything of the kind, but didn't give it that hard a try.
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Cranston
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Posted - 22/03/2025 : 13:41:54
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| I found that Hans Thorsen - Else's grandfather was married to Anna Maria Knudsen - this could be the link but sadly I am unable to find anything to connect her to Gunnar. I thought she may have been a sister or a cousin but it is hard for me to follow your records. Anna Maia was born 1846. Many thanks for your help so far. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/03/2025 : 15:26:07
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Here is the marriage record for Anne Marie Knudsen. Father is Knud Eriksen according to this record.
Anne Marie Knudsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name Anne Marie Knudsen
[Anne Marie Eriksen]
Gender Female
Age 25
Birth Date 1. mai 1846 (1 May 1846)
Marriage Date 4. jan 1872 (4 Jan 1872)
Marriage Place Eidanger, Telemark, Norway
Father
Knud Eriksen
Spouse
Hans Thorsen
FHL Film Number 1282556
Reference ID B1 P228 E1
Marriage
Birth Place of Arendal and birth year of 1846 match the data for her from the 1900 Census
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037162001233
Nr 1
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061108330067
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