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jkmarler
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 Posted - 08/04/2026 : 15:00:44
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Success depends on which of the records about Ole William Johansen you want to rely upon.
The actual birthdate would, ordinarilly, be a good piece of evidence if Ole William actually reported it, but so far is not born out in Norway records.
Ole William's headstone gives a birth year of 1892, not a full date; his for certain date in New Zealand, right now, is in 1921 when he married there and a look at the actual record of it would be helpful, his military service (if the notation in FAG is accurate) wherever / whenever it occurred.
To explore Ole Viktorin Johansen further, there are the sailor mønstring records of Fredrikstad (which are indexed) I did look but didn't find Ole Viktorin, the German sailor's database at Ancestry--have had memory this was a deserted german sailors database, not sure of value, the lives of 11 siblings, the parents Swedish roots and the mother's dødsfallsprotokol, if it exists.
Not sure if there might be a motivation to shave a few years off or put a few years on at the time or not. Here are a few thoughts.
Ole Johansen filed a Declaration of Intention to become a US citizen. Usually that step is taken quickly if you want to take a homestead in US. To take a homestead, I believe, requires you to be of the age of 21. You did not have to become a citizen to homestead (that was a common myth) but all you need to have done is just have filed the declaration.
If you are a declared potential citizen, how does that relate to military service during the 1st World War? Germany and Britain were already at war in 1914. Ole Johansen left from Hamburg, Germany. Was Germany impressing civilian sailors to service during WWI?
US joined the war later in 1917. You were required to register for the draft, whether citizen or not, if you were male and in the age category (born roughly abt 1875-1899).
An Ole Johanson male aged 22 years, Norway Norwegian does arrive 10 April 1914 at San Francisco from Honolulu. There is a not very legible notation in pencil on the person above him in the list HJ Aiesback from Sweden which is dittoed for Ole. Not sure what the meaning is.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 11/04/2026 23:05:59 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2026 : 16:04:46
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Ole Viktorin Johansen's mailing address in may 1915 was Sailors Union in Honolulu. Maybe this current Sailors Union of the Pacific:
Honolulu Office
707 Alakea St.
Honolulu HI 96813
(808) 533-2777
(808)533-2778 fax
honolulu@sailors.org |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2026 : 19:34:34
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Continuing to work the Ole Viktorin line, there is a public family tree for his birth family online at familysearch.org
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/L58Z-NB7
Interesting that Ole has a brother born on 22 Jan but in 1897 whose middle name is Vilhelm....And that brother Edvard Martin Johansen d.y. died in 1922 which might be why Ole was being looked for in 1922.
#80 Edvard Martin Johansen
Fredrikstad byfogd, AV/SAO-A-10473a/H/Ha/Hab/L0007: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1918-1922, s. 94-95
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090520330700
Unfortunately, names only his mother the widow Emma Andersen Sundby.
Sister Anna Karoline who dies in 1918 #201:
Fredrikstad byfogd, AV/SAO-A-10473a/H/Ha/Hab/L0007: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1918-1922, s. 10-11
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090520330657
Only her mother is mentioned.
An Emma Kristine Andreasdatter / Johansen dies in March 1935 which means her dødsfallsprotokol isn't available online.
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ToreL
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Posted - 09/04/2026 : 16:50:53
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
An Emma Kristine Andreasdatter / Johansen dies in March 1935 which means her dødsfallsprotokol isn't available online.
Possibly not Ole Viktorin's mother. According to the 1920 census, she (Ole's mother) was born 1862-09-24, which matches this death in 1941, with an (at east) equally inaccessible dødsfallsprotokoll. |
Edited by - ToreL on 09/04/2026 17:12:00 |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/04/2026 : 18:07:38
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Forgive me if this has been discussed already but I have access to Ancestry today and this came up
Ole William Johansen
in the New Zealand, Naturalisations, 1843-1981
New Zealand, Naturalisations, 1843-1981
Detail Source
Name Ole William Johansen
Birth Date 22 Jan 1892
Age 35
[35]
Birth Place Fredrikstad
Former Nationality Norwegian
Occupation Seaman
Residence City Wellington
Naturalisation Date 12 Oct 1927
File Number 20/1/3669
Certificate Register 73
Register Page Number 214
So it appears that Ole did use the birthdate & place of 22 Jan 1892 at Fredrikstad.
And there is another arrival of his at San Francisco, coming from Peru but he actually was mustered in at Port Chalmer which is in New Zealand on 16 Nov and the record says 1920 but since the arrival is in August 31 1920 at San Fran it must mean 1919, right?:
Ole William Johansen
in the California, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1959
Detail Source
Name Ole William Johansen
Gender Male
Nationality Scandinavian
Age 28
Birth Date abt 1892
Port of Departure Supe Bay, Peru
Arrival Date 31 Aug 1920
Port of Arrival San Francisco, California
Ship Name Gladbrook
A little bit of history about the Gladbrook: Evening Star, Issue 16935, 7 January 1919, Page 1
"FROM HULK TO SAILER
REFITTING OF HULK GLADBROOK.
A VESSEL WITH SPLENDID LINES.
The Union Company's sailing vessel Gladbrook is now loading cargo at Port Chalmers, and it is anticipated to have her despatched at the. end of the present week for San Francisco.
This vessel was formerly known as the County of Anglesea, when she was looked upon as a very smart sailer, and, judging from her beautiful lines in dry dock, one would agree that she well deserved the reputation. She was dismantled of all her branches at Auckland in March, 1911, and converted to an ordinary coal hulk, in which capacity she served until July 27, 1918, when she was towed from Auckland to Fort Chalmers by the Te Anau, where work was immediately commenced on rigging her out as original. All the original decks, ceilings, etc., fore and aft, were ] cleared out entirely, and new decks substituted. The whole of the work of new construction —including the making of topI masts, yards, sails, etc.—was executed at I Port Chalmers, and, as is the usual custom | with the Union Company, everything was | made of the best material, and put in first class order. A large house was built on the deck for the accommodation of the crew, and, on the whole, those who know sailing ships and their equipment, look upon the Gladbrook as one of the finest sailing vessels afloat to-day, and Port Chalmers people must feel rather proud at seeing the result of their own handwork in the conversion of a coal hulk to an up-to-date sailing ship. The Gladbrook is under the command of Captain George B. Corby, who has associated with him as first mate Sir Horace S. Collier, and as second mat© Mr David M'Leish. Her gross tonnage is 1,112, and her net tonnage 999. The vessel is classed at Lloyd's 100 Al. Her measurements are as follow:—Length 214 ft 4in, breadth 35ft 2in, moulded JUpth £2ABin." |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/04/2026 22:35:18 |
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Ollie William Johansen - anyone have any info?
