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connierl
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 Posted - 16/02/2014 : 04:54:19
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Originally posted by JaneC
Wonderful. The OP is a contributor here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSmid=18979274&
Obviously poster is seasoned researcher and probably doesn't need any help....
Thank you to all those who have posted information here, so much new good information. and YES I need all the help I can get. I have posted a lot on Find A Grave for both Bottolfsen and Bottolfson, some families use both spellings in the same document, but all are related. My grandfather Magnus Bottolfsen always said he knew he had cousins in Minn and Wisc, but could not remember their names and now we are beginning to find out about them. I am wondering if Rasmus Bottolfsen married and had children.
will start a search for him. I do not subscribe to Ancestry at this point and I have decided that when I do, I will have to have the time to use my subscription time fully and not be distracted by other demands in my life.
I am so grateful to all of you for any info you have posted and you can feel free to email me directly.
connierl@longlines.com
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connierl
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Posted - 16/02/2014 : 05:15:44
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by connierl
Hello
does anyone connect to these two families?
The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfather
Bottolf Bottolfsen.
Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)
Census 1801: Ve (Wee) farm in Flaa:
149 Buskerud Næs Flaae Annex Wee
Botolf Rasmussen, farmer 46 yrs, his 2nd marriage
Ragna Knudsdatter, his wife, 28 yrs, her 1st marriage
Barbroe Botolfsdatter, their daughter 7 yrs.
Knud Botolfsen their son 5 yrs.
Gunil Botolfsdatter, their daughter 3 yrs.
Knud Embretsen servant/labour 20 yrs, not married
Tor Tollefsen servant/laborur 19 yrs, not married
(children listed above are step siblings of Bottolf)
Gunhild Bottolfsdatter Haugen appears in Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes og Flå. Bapt 17 June 1798, d. 5 Jan 1862 left for America in 1846 as a widow of Tollef Tollefson Gulsvigeie bapt 27 Dec 1792 m. 8 Jan 1826 d. 28 May 1843 along with 3 of her children, Tollef Tollefson Haugen, Bottolf Tollefson Haugen and Gunhild Tollefsdatter Haugen. Gunhild Bottolfsdatter came to Jordan, Green County, Wisconsin and later to Orfordville, Rock county, Wisconsin.
There is more data on the children if you are interested. She appears in Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, a Biographical Directory 1825-1850, Volume 2, pg 370 arriving on the Elizabeth Bruce which landed in New York on 12 Aug 1846.
Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.
Gunhild's memorial at findagrave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=gunhild&GSiman=1&GScid=2135381&GRid=77098718&
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connierl
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/02/2014 : 05:41:04
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I guess it's unwise to put words into someone else's mouth, sorry about that.
Here is Rasmus' marriage to Christi Olsdtr, #6:
Source information: Buskerud county, Nes, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1824-1834), Marriage records 1831, page 776-777.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-366
In Norway Gunhild would always be her father's child so she is a Bottolfsdatter. But in America things were done differently so women gave up their names & change to their husband's name. It's good that its on her stone to help us out.
Rasmus and Christi had at least one child a daughter Ragna:
Ragne #73
Source information: Buskerud county, Nes, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1824-1834), Birth and baptism records 1831, page 362-363.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-187
Ragne comes to US with her husband Narve Erikson Bottolvhus and 5 children in 1866 on Askur #29-35:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=157
The family’s entry in Sigmund Sevre, Emigranter fra Nes og Flå,pg 47, 1866:
Narve Eriksen Bottolfshus, 33 years (s Aurdal); father Erik Knudsen Prestbakken, s Aurdal; born 18 Feb 1825; came to Flå, taking over Grøslandsøen; came on Askur, from Drammen to Quebec to his father-in-law; first in Monroe Wisconsin in 1867 and together with in-laws went more west, homesteading at St. Cloud, Minn.about 1869; 13 children, 6 born in US; married 26 Mar 1853:
Wife: Ragne Rasmusd Grøslandeie (2 birthdates given: 25 Jan 1831 & 25 Feb 1831) d. 26 July 1904; mentioned in Hallingen 35, June 1921 pg 978
Daughter Thora Narvesd Bottolfshus b. 7 Dec 1854 married Ole Halgrimsen Tromalseie (on list 10-70)
Daughter Barbro Narvesd Bottolfshus. b.19 Dec 1857 [no further info]
Daughter Rønnaug Narvesd Bottolfshus b. 14 Dec 1860 [no further info]
Son Erik Narvesen Bottolfshus b. 13 Mar 1863 may have gone by Erickson in US; married Ingeborg Trostheim, (who may be on the list as 18-83 but she is not found at that number?); mentioned in Hallingen September 1980 pg 5
Son Rasmus Narvesen Bottolfshus Erickson b. 25 Feb 1865, member of Big Grove Lutheran Church of Belgrade, Minn.; not named in Hallingen June 1921-978 but is mentioned Hallingen March 1989, pg 30
Pg 65
10-70 Ole Halgrimsen Tromalseie used Halgrimson in US; born 22 July 1852; parents Halgrim Olsen Solumeie (14-76 on list) & Ingeborg Olsd; came on Scotia; married Thora Narvesd Bottolfshus; member of Big Grove Lutheran by 1867? Year not certain; siblings who also came 16-76, 17-76, 18-76, 18a-76
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eibache
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Posted - 16/02/2014 : 16:33:37
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Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.
BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/02/2014 : 17:34:46
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Originally posted by eibache
Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.
BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.
Which may explain why there appears to be a variety of birthdates reported for him in other records, 1805, etc.
In the case of Ragna Rasmusdtr above with her 2 birthdates, 25 Feb is reported on the baptism and 25 Jan is reported on her confirmation. |
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connierl
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Posted - 16/02/2014 : 18:15:17
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This book has been quoted for quite a lot of this info:
"Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes "
how does a person obtain this book, is it possibly digitized on the internet?
Once again, thank you to all for the wealth of information.
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jkmarler
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connierl
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 04:03:31
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Originally posted by jkmarler
[quote]Originally posted by eibache
Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.
BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.
Which may explain why there appears to be a variety of birthdates reported for him in other records, 1805, etc.
Connie's reply to previous:
I have now found all 3 Rasmus Bottolfsen's Bapt records on Family Search
#1 Rasmus Bottolfsen Bapt 17 May 1801
#2 Rasmus Bottolfsen Bapt 5 Sept 1802
#3 Rasmus Bottolfsen (the one who survived) Bapt 10 May 1807
Number three then will be the one who immigrated.
all three have the correct parents.
now will look for death records for #1 and #2
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eibache
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 18:09:12
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Rasmus Bottolfsen, Kolsrud Ejet was burried Dec19 1802, #8.
The 2nd Rasmus was a twin (sister Elie) #92.
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connierl
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Posted - 17/02/2014 : 18:25:26
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Originally posted by eibache
Rasmus Bottolfsen, Kolsrud Ejet was burried Dec19 1802, #8.
The 2nd Rasmus was a twin (sister Elie) #92.
Thank you for the death and burial info for Rasmus, I had noticed that he was probably a twin to Elie and that she had probably died too as there was a second Ellie. born 8 Sept 1813.
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connierl
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 04:00:00
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Wife of Bottolf Bottolfsen
I have been trying for many years to find info for Marthe Marie Andersdatter Heieren.
This is what I know:
Marriage
records: Oppland County, Haug annex to Norderhov
(Norderhoug) Parish. 31 March 1823:
Batchelor Bottolf Bottolfsen (Bottolfsson) Heieren,
age 32
and spinster Marthe Mari Andersdatter Heieren, age
24.
Witnesses: Even Hansen(Hansson) Heieren and Mads
Jensen
(Jensson) Sandsetrud
No parents listed on Marriage
It has been said that Marthe was from Hole.
and birth date April 7, 1796 from date on marriage record birth would be cira 1799.
spelling of Marthe differs from place to place.
wanting to find her parents and siblings.
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connierl
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 04:53:52
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I was under the impression that it was Buskerud County.
I believe Opland County is incorrect.
Bottolf Bottolfsen and Marthe Marie Andersdatter's first son Anders was born before they married. Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)
Son Anders died as an infant.
another clue may be the sponsors for bapt of Second son, Niels Bottolfsen born June 22, 1826 and bapt July 30 1826. sponsors Gullich Helgesen, Anders Christophersen Wee, Ingeborg Wexal, Olea and Berthe Sørum.
Third son Martin Bottolfsen born Aug 1830 and bapt Dec 26, 1830, sponsors were Ingeborg Wexal, Anne Simonsdatter Wee, Marthe Henrichsdatter Sørum, Iver Wexal, and Anders Helgerud-Eijet.
there are so many names and except for Kari Andersdatter Hurum, I can't relate any to Marthe Andersdatter. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 05:05:00
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Well, I checked Heieren in the Ringerikske Slekter III and there was an Anders Kristiansen who was the son of the owner Kristian Syversen b. 1792 in Modum d. in Norderhov in 1850 who married Kirsti Andersdatter Heieren in 1814 (she was the younger sister of the deceased brother's owner's wife Eli Andersdatter Drolshammer). The 2 sons mentioned are Syver Kristiansen who eventually got Heieren and Anders Kristiansen who got Tronrud. Not much on Anders' family but Syver's is carried out in the text, but don't know if your Marthe figures in in some way or not with Eli Andersdatter or Anders Kristiansen.
But Hole is a very good place to be from these days as the new Hole bygdebøker are online and searchable, so you can search for her in it. Big, big file, be patient.
http://www.hole.no/bygdebok/Hole_bygdebok_Bind_1_til_5.pdf
And a number of baptisms from Hole are indexed in the Norway Baptisms at familysearch.org
Hurum is farm in Hole, Sørum is farm in Hole, Wexel in Norderhov |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 06:59:28
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Originally posted by connierl
Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)
Son Anders died as an infant.
Ringerikske Slekter III, pg 188-189 Heieren (my translation & paraphrase)
Even Hansen Berget & Hans Hansen Berget are the sons of Hans Evensen Heieren (who was working lope 192 called Berget). Hans Evensen (in 1804) and his full brother Anders Evensen (in 1796) each got part of the farm (Lille Heieren) from their father Even Olsen. Anders Evensen worked his part for about 5 years. Anders was on Festningen under Hole gaard in Modum and he died there in February 1801. His estate was filed or settled on 14 July 1802. He was survived by widow Kari Henriksdatter and in 1807 she sells her son Ole Andersen Festningen, his father's part of Lillie Heieren. No other children are mentioned but it's at least possible there could be a Marte in this family. It might be worthwhile to look for the family in Modum in the 1801 census and in the estate settlement record.
In Anders Evensen's household in 1801 in Modum there is a Marthe age 4 & a Kari age 2:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=79&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=16403&personpostnr=269196&merk=269196#ovre
269195 * Anders Evensen Huusfader 47 Gift 1 gl. Huusmandsplads M
269196 Kari Henricsdtr Hustrue 40 Gift 1 gl. K
269197 Ole Andersen Søn 18 Ugift M
269198 Henrich Andersen Søn 12 Ugift M
269199 Mari Andersdtr Datter 14 Ugift K
269200 Johanne Andersdtr Datter 7 Ugift K
269201 Marthe Andersdtr Datter 4 Ugift K
269202 Kari Andersdtr Datter 2 Ugift
So if your Marte is this Marthe then Even Hansen and Hans Hansen are first cousins to her and Kari Andersdatter Hurum is likely the sister as you surmised.
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