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Shirley Terrill
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 Posted - 22/12/2009 : 08:21:56
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Hi
How do I find about military records. I would like to know what type of soldier /years served my 3 x great grandad Anders Olsen was, born 1789 Raade, died ??.
When he married Hellene Jensdatter( born 1793 died ??)on 8th Feb 1819 it shows in the Raade parish records (no 65) that he was ?? soldat.
There is a word before soldat which no one has managed to read yet.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 09:00:07
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Ungkarl og Soldat, Bachelor and Soldier.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 09:08:49
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I think it reads indsadt soldat, meaning employed or recruited soldier.
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 09:42:42
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Sounds resonable Jan Peter.
Additional information for a recruted soldier, normal tenure was 6 years but could be extended.
Many was recruted among the artisans so that they could have an extra income (to save money for the authorities).
If Anders was a craftsman when he recruted I do not know.
Anders was a recruited soldier in preveious 1. Smålenske Batallion of the Sønnenfjelske Infantry Regiment (1789-1817) stationed at Fredriksten
From 1818 the army was decimated and Anders served in Smålenske Nationale Musket Corps (1818-34)
At mobilizaton should the new corps be included in Akerhusske Infantry Brigade.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/12/2009 09:43:14 |
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Shirley Terrill
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New Zealand
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 09:54:51
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Hi Kare and Jan Peter
Fantastic info thanks very much, finding all this history on the family is giving us a picture on life in Norway. Anders son Nils Anderson emigrated to New Zealand so we have plenty NZ history.
Shirley |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 14:18:34
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| Another possibility is "udsadt" = discharged. |
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Shirley Terrill
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 18:13:50
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Hi
my father and I wisited Norway in July and went to Oslo archives and the lady who helped us has since sent me a booklet "Garder og Slekter I Rade" (1968)and under Forste Halvburk 1750 - 1831 is Ole Nielsen, Anders father who had the lease on the farm in 1801 and from what I can understand Anders had the bygslet from 1822-1830. Their 1st son born 1818, they married 1819 and then next child was not till 1821, so is it possible he was still in army till 1821?.
Thanks
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 19:22:53
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Hi, difficult to explain these old words which don´t exist in our language any more.
Halvbruk (halvgård), the farm was valued to half a farm which means the owener only had to pay half the tax.
The opposite was a Fullbruk (Fullgård) valued to full farm means the owner had to pay the full tax.
Bygsle/bygslet meas he rentet the land from 1822-30.
Was it Anders Olsen Kihl´s parents Ole Nilsen Tom and Jøran Halvorsdatter Brøløs who married Nov. 9. 1780, if it was I have some information about Tom.
Dificult for me to read if he was discarged or recruted when he married in 1819.
If Anders was a soldier at age 19 in 1808 he partissipated in a miltary campaign against Sweden.
I can try to check the lower age of recruted soldiers about 1800.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/12/2009 19:27:07 |
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Shirley Terrill
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New Zealand
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 19:54:04
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Hi
thanks for the meanings of the words.Anders parents were Ole Nilsen and Joran Halvorsdtr Brodlos married 1780, born 1756, and her parents I have as Halvar Jensen and Olau Torstensen. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 00:43:54
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Hi.
Ole Nielsen was from Tom when he married Jøran Halvorsdatter Brødløs Nov- 9. 1780, they were engaged July 22.
One of the witness, Jens Guttormsen was from Kihl /Kiel where Anders lived 1801 and it was his place of living when he married 1819, see top right page here
The reason I mentioned Tom (Tomb) many variations, above, was because the farm is mentioned already in the middleage as Thufn (Tomb) in the Saga of King Sverre Sigurdsson 1151-1202, chapter 162.
Tomb was a noble farm from the midleage to about 1650 and is mentioned in several old documents.
The oldset document is written on parchment Nov. 24. 1299 in Oslo where King Håkon V Magnusson stipulates that the 6 markebol (a part in Tomb) that he has given to the priests in Mariekirken (St. Marys Church) in Oslo, and that Mr. Guttorn on Thufn (Tomb) owned, always will belong to them, see here
The lower part, heading Brevtekst, of the document is a modernized version of the 1200´s Runic script language.
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Shirley Terrill
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New Zealand
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 03:14:25
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Hi
This is outstanding and is far more than I expected, thankyou for the time and effort you put into answering me. I can not read Norwegian so was unable to read the history link, will try and find it in english.
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eibache
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 08:51:58
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Anders Olsen is titled "Landmand" (could be translated as farmhand) when he and Hellene Jensdatter had their child born out of wedlock April 17 1817, see #15 he was baptized Niels on April 26.
When Jørgen was born June 17 1821 Anders is titled "Afgiftsbruger" (could be translated as lease holder) on Østre Kihl, see #20.
Neither of these titles give any definite help for translating the title "Udsadt Soldat" at his marriage.
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Edited by - eibache on 23/12/2009 08:53:23 |
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eibache
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 09:51:48
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Joran Halvorsdtr Brodlos parents Halvor Jensen and Ollauf Torstensdatter married Nov 5 1754, see 3rd couple in far right column
Jøran was baptized Aug 22 1756, see 3rd record in far right column
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Edited by - eibache on 23/12/2009 13:40:47 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 10:22:07
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Brøløs-Brødløs - Brodlos, rare name, means breadless, without bread.
The reason was rather that the soil poorly suited to grain cultivaton.
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Shirley Terrill
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 11:33:53
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Hi Kaarto and eibache
Once again, you continue to amaze me with all the bits of info and the translations. Thanks.
Shirley
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eibache
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Posted - 23/12/2009 : 13:33:08
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Olloug Torstensdatter was baptized April 10 1730 (2nd day of Easter), her father was Torsten Colbjørnrud, see 3rd record in far right column
Her brother Ouen was baptized June 22 1721, see 7th record in second column.
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Edited by - eibache on 23/12/2009 14:17:33 |
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Anders Olsen - soldat (soldier)?
