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Kåarto
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 Posted - 01/06/2007 : 08:21:50
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Hans Jensen Jan Peter pointed out, born Dec. 8. 1832 in Øen sokn/lokal parish in Askvoll, nr 22. Parents: Jens Lassesen "Føderaadsmand" in 1865 census, and Ingeborg Hansdatter Yttre Schor
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8598&idx_id=8598&uid=ny&idx_side=-49
is the same Hans you pointed out in the wedding records from 1861, couple nr 12, June 8. 1861: Bachelor Hans Jensen Skor, age 30 and unmarried girl Halfrida Hansdatter Hatlem age 25, fathers was Jens Lassesen and Hans Jensen
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1974&idx_id=1974&uid=ny&idx_side=-45
Hans Gerhard Hansen Smilden born in Øn local paris in Hyllestad main parish Nov. 16. 1873, Christened Nov. 23..
Parents: Hans Jensen and Halfrida Hansdatter Smilden, bap. nr 31.
Godparents was Ole Gjertsen Øn, Johannes Andersen Smildenvaag, Ragnvald Sørensen Smilden, Brithe Trulsdatter, Dorthea Hansdatter Smilden.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11503&idx_id=11503&uid=ny&idx_side=-44
Hans Gerhard Hansen Smilden´s emm. record 1893, nr 10, born Nov. 16, Christened nov. 23. 1873, konfirmed sep. 29.1889, bachelor and "Gms-Gaardmandsøn" farmer son.
(nr 8,Ole Berntsen Smilden em. with him)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6876&idx_id=6876&uid=ny&idx_side=-110
Next is a map showing Sogn og Fjordane, Hyllestad is in the outer and northern part of Sognefjorden, Norways largest fjord.
North of Hyllestad in Åfjorden you can watch Øn and next to the small cape/headland named Smilleneset south of Øn is farm Smilden.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/sognogfjordane.html
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Edited by - Kåarto on 01/06/2007 15:49:28 |
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Scorpiove
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 22:30:16
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Wow, thank you so much Kåre. Just the other day I was wondering if there were actual scans of the records, and you answered my question :). I am happy to see those records.
Now that we have Hans Jensen's parents I went looking for Halfri Hansdatter's birth records and I think I found them here.
The record shows a Halfri hansd. Born april 17th 1836. Father's name is Hans Jensen and his residence is Hatlem. Just the same as Halfri's marriage record, and it shows the mom as Trine Clausd. I went looking for marriage records for Halfrid's parents but I coudln't find any so I went to go see if I can see any birth records for Trine Clausd., and I found what I believe what is the correct record for her here.
That record shows a Trine Clausd. Born March 14th 1812, it also lists the father as a Claus Hanss. and his residence is Bø. The mother is listed as Johanne Rasmusd. I think I'm on a roll with these records, just hope they are correct. I think there is probably a marriage records still somewhere for hans jensen and Trine Clausd. Maybe it would help confirm that the birth records for Trine I found are the same ones. |
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Kåarto
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jwiborg
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:24:46
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Hans Jensen & Trine Clausdr
Marriage: 13 JUL 1831, Lavik, Sogn Og Fjordane
His father Jens Johannesen
Her father Claus Hansen
Children:
Hans, born 01 JUL 1833, Hatlem, Askvoll, Sogn Og Fjordane
Halfri, born 17 APR 1836, Hatlem, Askvoll, Sogn Og Fjordane
Hans, born 16 OCT 1838, Hatlem, Askvoll, Sogn Og Fjordane
Johanne, born 13 MAR 1840, Hatlem, Askvoll, Sogn Og Fjordane
Mari, born 03 AUG 1842, Hatlem, Askvoll, Sogn Og Fjordane
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Kåarto
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jwiborg
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 12:00:45
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Children to Claus Hanssen & Johanne Rasmusdr, Bø farm, Lavik parish, Sogn Og Fjordane
Henrik Claussen, born 27 DEC 1809
Trine Clausdr, born 14 MAR 1812
Anna Clausdr, born 13 APR 1817
Britha Clausdr, born 09 MAY 1819
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Kåarto
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 15:36:52
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Lavik is next to Hyllestad and Askvoll.
About the farm products from Smilden, the owner Edgar Hatlem writes that Salomon fishing has been an important income for farm Smilden for many generations.
As Jan Peter pointed out:
Trine Clausdatter´s birth record Lavik parish 1812 march14, right page:
14 døbt Claus Hansen og Johanne Rasmsdatr indre Bøe Dater(Daughter) Trine.
Godparents: Ole Olsen Bøe, Hermund Hansen Buskedahl(Bush- walley), Hermund Andersen Bøe, Lisbeth Hansen do, Synneve Olsdatr Buskedahl.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11558&idx_id=11558&uid=ny&idx_side=-31
Trine´s marriage records July 13. 1831, couple nr 6:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11560&idx_id=11560&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
I´ll keep the 1801 census abowe just in case Claus Hansen Hovland might be Trine´s father.
Need more proves to be sure, but some of these records are incomplete, hopefully not destroyd and gone for ever.
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Scorpiove
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 16:26:54
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| I love waking up to new posts, Thanks you guys. I wish I wasn't at work right now I would beable to take a good look at everything that has posted but boy it sure is appreciated you don't know how much! |
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Scorpiove
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 10:20:37
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I noticed something strange in the records. Earlier in the thread Jan Peter mentiond a Mads Hansen as being Hans Hansen smilden's brother, the 1865 census for Hans Jensen and Halfrid Hansdatter even show Mads. But in the record I found here shows that his dad was Hans Iversen and mother Halfrid Hansdatter on the Smilla farm. It shows he was born Feb, 20 1865 just like in the census.
Also before Mads was born it looks like Hans Jensen and Halfrid Hansd had another Hans besides "Hans Gerhard" born March, 18 1863 but died May 5 1864. But I still wonder why Mads dad is listed as Hans Iversen and not Jensen. I doubt there were two Halfrid Hansdatters living on the same farm at the same time. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 10:30:15
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Allen
It´s harder and harder to find records online, but look ups in historian "Bygdebøker" from that area will hopefully come up with more info.
I am wondering in what churches their seremonies took place, because Askvoll church was opened July 1863, Øn church 1958 (brand new), Bø church 1868, Hyllestad church 1880, Lavik church 1865.
Earlier it was a stave church in Hyllestad, only a portal from the gate is kept in a museum in Oslo.
Gordon Berdahl is willing to do lookups in Hyllestad Bygdebok
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/lookups.html#Berdahl
But we do have Ingeborg Hansdatter Schor´s confirmation record Oc. 28. 1821, nr 86
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8598&idx_id=8598&uid=ny&idx_side=-130
and Hans Ingemorsen and Marthe Andersdatter´s marrige record Nov. 1797, top page, couple nr 2:
21th Søndag Trinit (after Trinity) Øen
Copul: (Married) Hans Ingemorsen Yttre?(Outher?) og P (Maid) Marthe Andersd ? (its hard to understand their farm names, so to make no confusion I shall no try)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8597&idx_id=8597&uid=ny&idx_side=-135
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jwiborg
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 12:31:09
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Originally posted by Scorpiove
I wonder why Mads dad is listed as Hans Iversen and not Jensen. I doubt there were two Halfrid Hansdatters living on the same farm at the same time.
Hi, Iversen must be a mistake, possibly by the person who transcribed the original record.
Children to Hans Jensen & Halfri Hansdatter:
Hans Hansen, chr 22 MAR 1863 Øen, Sogn Og Fjordane
Mads Hansen, chr 19 MAR 1865 Øen, Sogn Og Fjordane
Ingeborg Hansdr, chr 28 APR 1867 Øen, Sogn Og Fjordane
Ingeborg Hansdr, chr 13 SEP 1868 Øen, Sogn Og Fjordane
Thrine Jensine Hansdr, chr 29 MAY 1871 Øen, Sogn Og Fjordane
Hans Gerhard Hansen, chr 23 NOV 1873 Øen, Sogn Og Fjordane
The original records should be found in Hyllestad / Øn, 1853-1873, skannet klokkerbok
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Edited by - jwiborg on 03/06/2007 12:47:35 |
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Scorpiove
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 19:58:21
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| Hey thanks both of you, you guys have really helped me push Han's line back real far, more t han I hoped. I will deffinately use the other sources you guys have suggested. I have also found Maren's (hans hansen smilden's wife) death certificate and have ordered a copy. Hopefully it will reveal to me her parents. I looked for Han Hansen Smilden's death certificate but it has turned up yet, hopefully it does though it would confirm for sure ultimately that my hans is the norway hans. Although I am already 99% sure :). If I don't find it I would still feel confident in feeling these people are hans' family. Thanks again you guys! |
Edited by - Scorpiove on 04/06/2007 19:05:08 |
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Scorpiove
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 06:40:33
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| Hi Just wanted to update I received in the mail naturalization papers for Hans Hansen Smilden. Unfortunately they don't tell me much about his parents to help confirm but they do help confirm in another way atleast a little. They state that my Hans arrived at the port of New York in June 1893. When Hopkin's first replied he posted immigration records for Hans Gerad Hansen leaving Norway in may 1893. So at least those dates like up pretty good. Now I just need to go hunt for his arrival records. :) |
Edited by - Scorpiove on 05/06/2007 06:41:09 |
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