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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 30/05/2012 : 05:20:33
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The brother Georg Alexander Wilson death, #2:
Kildeinformasjon: Bergen fylke, St. Jørgens hospital, Ministerialbok nr. A 13 (1886-1906), Døde og begravede 1889, side 56.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7181&idx_id=7181&uid=ny&idx_side=-26
It says he is married but the other notations about occupation I can't read. Definitely the guy as his birthplace is given as Vestre Moland. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 05:49:28
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Thanks for these latest posts and links about the Wilsons of Scotland. George Alexander Wilson birth place Vestre Moland, and now we know her died in Norway.
So this Wilson father (Henry Wilson) was a Strandsidder, Jordarbeider. Gramtrans will not translate that for me, but I think it means he is a watcher of the beach (patrolling for smugglers, or serving as customs duty officer, or similar?) and also he is some kind of farmer. The job profile of beach patrol would fit for a father of Charles.
Actually, I wonder if the name could be important even if Charles is not related. Charles could have known of the Wilson name, from one of the Wilson families in Norway, and later chose that name in America as a name with which he was familiar and also sounded "English."
Just thinking out loud - that's really a stretch. But until the forum brought up the idea that "Wilson/Vilson is not unknown in Norway" I had thought of it as unknown in Norway! The discussion of Wilsons in Norway has at the very least the value of opening our eyes to that name as one with which Charles could have been familiar. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 05:52:49
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#2 reads:
Forstander for Pleiestiftelsen for Spedalske No 1 og gift Maria Georg Alexander Wilson.
(Head of the Foundation for Care of Lepers No. 1 and married Maria George Alexander Wilson.)
He was born Jan 7 1833 and the parents were Ralph Wilsen and Ingeborg Marie Clementsdatter.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 07:02:41
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 16:23:57
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AKER confirmands 1848, 1849, 1850, 1851
30 Apr 1848
#39 Carl Christian Olsen born 2 Feb baptized 15 Sept 1833 born Bogstadeie parents: huusmand Ole Olsen and Karen Halvorsdatter vaccinated 1833
1 Oct 1848
#25 Carl Christian Henrik Olsen (Saugene) born 30 sept 1834 baptized 25 Nov 1834
parents: Snedker Ole Olsen and Caroline Georgine Berntsen vaccinated 1835
15 April 1849
#43 Carl Ludvig Olsen born 17 Mar 1834 baptized 19 May 1834 born Thorhaugen
parents arbeidsman Ole Andersen and Anne Marie Svendsdtr, vaccinated 1835
#48 Carl Johan Olsen b. 26 Jan or 26 June 1834 (heavy ink) baptized 26 July 1834
born Christiania parents piga Sigrid Jensdtr and deceased ___ Ole Anderson
vaccinated 1837
30 Sept 1849
#55 Carl Ludvig Olsen b. 29 Nov 1834 baptized 21 June 1835 born Grønland
parents Ole Larsen and Andrea Christiansdatter, vaccinated 1841 Enerson
7 Apr 1850
#7 Carl Magnus Emanuel Christoffersen * b. 20 June 1835 baptized 6 Sept 1835 born Saugene; parents: ___ Ole Christofferson and Marie Nielsdtr; vaccinated 1836 Dodelien
* included because his father's name was Ole
6 Oct 1850
#69 Carl Edvart Olsen born 21 May 1834 baptized 6 July 1834 born Nordbraaten
parents Ole Andersen and Karen Marie Krog; vaccinated 1835
5 Oct 1851
#20 Carl Peter Olsen (el. Hansen) born 31 August 1836 baptized 18 Sept 1836 born Grønland; parents Hans Olsen Hesberg and Gunhild Karine Pedersdtr; vaccinated Gjerdstom no date
#21 Carl Frederick Olsen b. 30 Oct 1837 baptized 3 Dec 1837 born Oslo
parents Ole Olsen and Christine Fredrickke Halvorsdtr vaccinated 1838 Gjerdstrom
#92 Carl Edvart Olsen b.ron 2 July 1837 baptized 27 Aug 1837 born Dieseneiet(?)
parents Ole Olsen and Marie Eriksdtr; vaccinated Dodentius? No date
If I find any update on these in records I will post to this post. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 17:43:47
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
So this Wilson father (Henry Wilson) was a Strandsidder, Jordarbeider.
I'm not sure what strandsidder was exactly but a family I recently searched had a memory in America that their ancestor was a lighthousekeeper in Norway and the various records about him in Norway give his occupation as strandsitter. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 17:46:10
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Thank you to eibache for the translation of the job title. Your attention to this thread is much appreciated!
jkmarler, What a gift Jack has in you! ! This is tedious work, going through the parish registers. Hard to do it when first learning - it takes quite a bit of study to know how to do it. I think you sensed this difficulty and without another word you stepped in to help. Thank you so much!
Any of your finds could possibly be Charles, given the kinds of discrepancies we find in various records. At the moment it seems the best candidate might be this boy:
#48 Carl Johan Olsen b. 26 Jan or 26 June 1834 (heavy ink) baptized 26 July 1834 born Christiania parents piga Sigrid Jensdtr and deceased ___ Ole Anderson. Carl Johan vaccinated 1837 (vaccinated against smallpox, a routine procedure noted in churchbooks).
Here are the parts that stand out for me: He is CARL JOHAN OLSEN (for Charles in America with possibly a middle name of John) - born (JUNE) 1834 - born in CHRISTIANIA.
This fits pretty closely with Jack's original story (except the birth month is not written clearly in the Aker churchbook, and Jack had said 09 June 1834 not 26 June). Intriguing!
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 19:17:10
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The term strandsitter was used on people who had a house on land not owned by themself. The land was owned by a nearby farm, and the strandsitter would then pay an annual ground rent for the lot of land, where his house was. Or he could have an orally agreement with the farmer to have a house on the the lot.
The name strandsitter could indicate that the lot had to be near the sea, but not necessarily. The term has also been used in inland counties.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 19:21:09
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jwiborg and jkmarler - thank you both for that clarification of strandsitter.
I looked again at this record, below, which I did not previously post (thinking it's not "our" Charles). Now I decided to post it. By 1871 we would expect him to use the name Charles Wilson. But if we do find a Charles Olsen in Norway who goes missing from Norway, this record at least could help show where he might be.
List of Officers, Crew, and Others on Board the ship Victoria of Bergen
on the night of Sunday, April 2, 1871
docked in London, England
Name: Carl Olsen
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Barsdmand
Gender: Male
Where born: Bergen, Norway
Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Commercial Docks
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: Victoria (3)
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 646
Folio: 59 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 19:52:34
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From Family Search, a Carl Olsen born on 09 June - but in 1833
Name: Carl Herman Olsen
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Jun 1833
Baptism/Christening Place: , DROBAK, AKERSHUS, NORWAY
Father's Name: Ole Olsen
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ingebor Olsdr
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C42816-1
System Origin: Norway-ODM
Source Film Number: 123218
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VW2J-L2Q |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 20:03:53
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Excuse me, he is christened that day, not born.
This is not "Jack's" Charles, below, but it does show another Charles Wilson living in Brooklyn, born in Norway about 1834. Jjust so we are aware of him.
1880
Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Mary Parker 40 born in Ireland
Charles Parker 8 born in New York
Emma Parker 10 born in New York
Charles Wilson 46 born about 1834 in Norway, watchman
Mary Wilson 47 born in Ireland
NARA Film Number:T9-0846
Page:578
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 20:10:18
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Charles in 1892 in New York State Census
1892
Brooklyn Ward 5, Kings, New York
Charles Wilson, 57, born in Norway, lighterman
Kate 27 born in USA
Kate Junior 22 born in USA occupation Box?maker
Mary 13
Ida 11
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2012 : 20:23:52
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9S92-9WB
This family tree for Charles (found on Family Search) gives a birth date of About JUNE 1835-1839, which fits with the census records, but the birth date Jack gave was exact. Wonder who are the submitters (there are two).
Charles died 6 SEP 1902 in Brooklyn. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 23:16:34
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9S92-9WB
This family tree for Charles (found on Family Search) gives a birth date of About JUNE 1835-1839, which fits with the census records, but the birth date Jack gave was exact. Wonder who are the submitters (there are two).
Charles died 6 SEP 1902 in Brooklyn.
Copied from the file:
submitter: jjwajack2709959
submitter: cnoonan2709958
You might ask Jack if these are familiar (as Nokomis Joe was before...)
As far as the dates, they are drawn from the various US federal census, June 1835 from 1900 and 1839 from which year --I don't remember.... |
Edited by - jkmarler on 30/05/2012 23:17:44 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 02:28:38
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Thanks!
Yes, I'll ask Jack about the submitters. |
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