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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
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 Posted - 31/05/2012 : 03:14:47
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I am overwhelmed by all of this. I am trying to follow along but I get lost easily. This information however fits the bill on a lot of it.
I just can't understand if this is his mom and dad?
"parents piga Sigrid Jensdtr and deceased ___ Ole Anderson."
what is piga?
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Originally posted by JaneC
Thank you to eibache for the translation of the job title. Your attention to this thread is much appreciated!
jkmarler, What a gift Jack has in you! ! This is tedious work, going through the parish registers. Hard to do it when first learning - it takes quite a bit of study to know how to do it. I think you sensed this difficulty and without another word you stepped in to help. Thank you so much!
Any of your finds could possibly be Charles, given the kinds of discrepancies we find in various records. At the moment it seems the best candidate might be this boy:
#48 Carl Johan Olsen b. 26 Jan or 26 June 1834 (heavy ink) baptized 26 July 1834 born Christiania parents piga Sigrid Jensdtr and deceased ___ Ole Anderson. Carl Johan vaccinated 1837 (vaccinated against smallpox, a routine procedure noted in churchbooks).
Here are the parts that stand out for me: He is CARL JOHAN OLSEN (for Charles in America with possibly a middle name of John) - born (JUNE) 1834 - born in CHRISTIANIA.
This fits pretty closely with Jack's original story (except the birth month is not written clearly in the Aker churchbook, and Jack had said 09 June 1834 not 26 June). Intriguing!
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 03:18:58
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Try this dictionary, which is very useful for genealogical terms. This is the definition it gives for piga.
http://home.online.no/~cfscheel/gg-index.htm
piga [en] maid-servant ¦ servant-woman ¦ maid |
Edited by - AntonH on 31/05/2012 03:24:22 |
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
62 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 03:21:29
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 03:56:24
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Garnisonmenigheter Confirmands 1848, 1849, 1850, 1851:
30 Sept 1849
#16 Carl Martinius Larsen*
born 5 Mar 1835, baptized at Garnison 3 May 1835
parents Ole Larsen Haug and Oline Mikelsdtr
vaccination 4 Aug 1835
Included because father's name is Ole
27 Apr 1851
#11 Carl Herman Olsen age 16 born Christiania
b. 5 Nov 1835 bapt 17 Jan 1836
parents Ole Peter Olsen and Gunhild Marie Larsdtr
vaccinated 22 Mar 1836
#29 Carl Johan Otteson 14 1/2 b. Christiania
b. 12 Mar 1836 bapt 31 July 1836
parents Hans Ottesen Ingeborg Marie Evensdtr
vaccinated 12 Sept 1837 Doderlein
5 Oct 1851
#18 Carl Hansen Wold 14 b. Christiania
b. 28 June 1837 bapt 13 Aug 1837
parents Hans Olsen Wold Anne Maria Christiansdtr
vaccinated 17 Oct 1837 Doderlein
If I find anything to update on these I will post to this post. On any of the confirmation pages, if I find any updates on the people will post to appropriate confirmands page. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 03:59:01
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Kristiania Tukthus Confirmands 1848, 1849, 1850, 1851, 1852, 1853, 1854, 1855:
None found
Searched more years in this parish as the confirmands mostly were older than 15 years at the time of their confirmations. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 05:06:26
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lyndal40: I'm glad to have that dictionary link. Very helpful - thanks!
jkmarler - you are still trudging through the churchbooks for confirmands! Oh how kind of you! I am really smiling. It's also very good of you to post any updates on the people..
Takk!
All these look reasonable boys to include in our list. Even so, none is jumping out at me. Same for you? Kristiania Tukthus can now be eliminated as a home parish for Charles with no one there who could be him. Thank you for wiping that one off the list!
Jack, because of your question, addressed by lyndal40, I'll add a couple comments. PLEASE bear with me if I'm repeating stuff that's obvious to you. Just double checking that all is clear.
Sigurd Jensdtr is an abbreviation for Sigurd Jensdatter.
The line in front of the father Ole Anderson means jkmarler could not read a word there, when transcribing the hand-written record. The illlegible word could be or likely is a job title.
jkmarler is searching the confirmation records instead of birth records. (YEAH) As you can see the birth date is contained in the confirmation record. So too are the parents' names. The advantage to searching the confirmation records instead of the birth records is that the children who died before confirmation age (about age 14) are not included in the search. We wouldn't want to become interested in a "candidate" and then find out later he died before age 14.
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www.gramtrans.com is a good site for translating Norwegian into English. |
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
62 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 05:17:14
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| AHH! Gotcha. Thanks. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 09:06:49
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Rikshospitalet --no confirmands so checked the births/ baptisms for 1834-1835:
1834
#49 Julius Claus * b.28 Apr baptized 4 May
parents: Simon Niclian pigen Berthe Marie Olsdtr
fad: Berthe Andersen, Sofie Ols Tram, arbeidsman Amund Gudmundsen
*included because father's patronymic not clear
1835
#48 Carl Anthon *b 26 Apr bapt. 5 May
parents: Hans Nęss pigen Gunhild Olsdtr
fad.Kirstine Abrahamsdtr, Kirstine Halvorsdtr, arbeidsdreng Hans Hansen
*included because father's patronymic not given
#49 Carl Anthon b. 27 Apr bapt 4 May
parents: bodkersvend Ole Erickson, pige Maren Kirstine Mikkelsdtr
fad. Anne Kolstad, Karen Pedersdtr, Christian Mikkelsen
#59 Carl Olaus b. 23 May bapt 1 June
parents: Ole Olsen, Anne Marie Gundersdtr
fad. Anne Marie Jensen, Elise Sorensen
#136 Carl b. 22 Nov bapt 3 Dec
parents: matros Ole Hansen, pige Oline Pedersdtr
fad. _____ Ole Peder Christophersen, _____ Birgitte Vold, Karen Heger
If any updates found for these, I will post to this post. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 31/05/2012 09:08:03 |
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kariellen
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 12:46:20
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Try this dictionary, which is very useful for genealogical terms. This is the definition it gives for piga.
http://home.online.no/~cfscheel/gg-index.htm
piga [en] maid-servant ¦ servant-woman ¦ maid
The term "pige" used when a woman marries means maiden rather than maid. It is a description of her civil status, i.e. unmarried, rather than one of her profession.
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 12:53:00
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3020 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 14:09:34
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Ah - thank you kariellen. In my Danish family history that would be the case, but this Norwegian environment is new to me. I also earlier thought that the child of pigen Sigurd Jensdatter might have father "ungkarl" Ole Anderson (if ungkarl is the word for bachelor ).
The heroic efforts of jkmarler continue!!! I am amazed how you have combed through still more of the churchbooks. I hope you can hear the happy applause! : D Again this batch does not show a boy who is a better candidate than some of the others you and other forum members have posted. Every parish register eliminated represents significant progress. (Yet the list must be kept for future reference, because...who knows?)
Jack, in case this phrase is unclear: "fad: Berthe Andersen, Sofie Ols Tram...." I'll just quickly note that the word "fad." is an abbreviation that means "baptismal sponsors." These names are important as possible clues. The lowercase words in front of the names are professions. |
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
62 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 14:29:59
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| I just found the 1865 census online. I am thinking he should have been on bridge street which is ward four. there are 180 pages in this ward and in the Philippines it is slow loading. I see no way to determine a street so I am forced to go through each one. If found, it would help me to eliminate another stranger possibility for him. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 17:19:03
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Great!
Jack FYI on page 1 of the forum lyndal40 had spotted Charles and Hanora Wilson in 1860 and discusses.
On your website you list census information as follows:
1870 (census info) 2nd Ward
1875 (census) 1st dist.2nd W.
1880 (census info) 1161 Prospect Street
1900 (census info) 237 Gold Street
We've posted 1870, 1880, 1900 here.
Jack, Would you post the 1875 census information? Thanks beforehand. : D
The 1892 New York State census has been posted on the forum. |
Edited by - JaneC on 31/05/2012 17:32:01 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 19:16:51
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The first reference to an exact birth date that I saw online was this posting: "..Charles Olsen born 6-19-1834..." in Oslo.
So I think my post of 09 June 1834 was a typo. I did not notice it before. I am sorry.
So the birth date should be 19 JUNE 1834.
I have asked Jack to check where this exact birth day-month-year comes from - what is the source. I hope he'll answer here on the forum. The date could be wrong, and I think we have been wise to realize this. Also, more than one boy could be born on that day (if it is correct). So again, the searching that has happened is very very important. Nonetheless, it's also important to know the source of that date and how credible it may or may not be.
Earlier we looked at this guy, below. He was born 19 JUNE 1834. Jan Peter found his confirmation record, so we know he lived that long at least.
Name: Carl Johan Olsen
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Sep 1834
Baptism/Christening Place: KRISTIANSUND, MORE OG ROMSDAL, NORWAY
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1834
Father's Name: Ole Hammer
Mother's Name: Karen Kirstine Abrahamsdr
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C42203-1
System Origin: Norway-ODM
Source Film Number: 124839
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 19:50:42
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Yes, and I think he is a very strong candidate. That's why I've been waiting for the scanned image of the handwritten note... I would like to see if it says Christiansund. Being from that area, he is also very likely to be a fisherman or seaman...
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