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Originally posted by jkmarler

Well, the issue of the name is pertinent.

For instance, if Charles Wilson's father's name is Charles Wilson or Charles Olson, following Norwegian standard naming practice followed by most of the population in the mid 1800s--Charles himself would be Charleson, not Olson or Wilson like his father. Charles is an unusual name for a Norwegian but it is not unheardof. In the 1865 Norwegian census transcription online there are 58 men & boys whose given name is Charles.

On forum we've already assumed that a Norwegian equivalent for Charles is Karl / Carl but I can tell from numerous experiencees the Norwegian name of Kittil is often Anglicized to Charles. Charles' true Norwegian name could be something like Kittil or something completely different.

In those previously mentioned databases the birthdate ascribed to Charles is June 1835 (from the 1900 census) / 1839 which was developed from one of the other census schedules in which he appears.

Has Charles citizenship record been researched?

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Originally posted by JaneC

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Here's that comment, the one I want to be sure I understand right, and the Carl Johan who might have died, because of the cross by his baptismal record:

"The Carl Johan mentioned page 2 was born in More og Romsdal..." HE IS:

Name: Carl Johan Olsen
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Sep 1834
Baptism/Christening Place: KRISTIANSUND, MORE OG ROMSDAL, NORWAY
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1834
Father's Name: Ole Hammer
Mother's Name: Karen Kirstine Abrahamsdr
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C42203-1
System Origin: Norway-ODM
Source Film Number: 124839
Here is the birth baptism of the Carl Johan Olsen you found:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Kristiansund, Parish register (official) nr. 572A06 (1832-1842), Birth and baptism records 1834, page 16.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16106&idx_id=16106&uid=ny&idx_side=-16

Unfortunately, there is a small cross by the entry which is usually put on the records of a person who didn't survive.
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I wish/hope he didn't die as I love his name "Carl Johan." The 19 June not the 09 June is a discrepancy, of course...

Again thanks!

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Originally posted by JaneC



Charles Sr. being Swedish in 1880 has no explanation I can think of -

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Originally posted by JaneC

Throwing out the Swedish Charles in Massachusetts in 1900, I guess the rest of the 3 records do more or less hang together, with the application of a little imagination. .
One has to substitute some names, as follows:

Irmine in 1870 could = Anne in 1880
Charles Jr. age 2 in 1870 = Charles age 10 in 1880
Baby Mary age 6 months in 1870 maybe dies and is not on 1880 census
Martha age 2 in 1880 could = Mary age 22 in 1900
Ida age 6 months in 1880 is Ida age 20 in 1900 (married name Ida Lezak)

Catherine's father was born in Prussia, right? So in 1870 when asked the father's birthplace, she could have said Prussia -

Charles Sr. being Swedish in 1880 has no explanation I can think of -

In 1870 Charles Sr. is born about 1838
In 1880 Charles Sr. is born about 1839
In 1900 Charles Sr. is born in JUN 1835
According to Jack he's born JUN 1834 (I say Jack because at the moment I can't remember the source...)

There's enough repeition of ages and names for this to feel like one family, when I really stare at it - despite the mistakes in the census.

Have I got it right?

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Originally posted by JackWilson

I just found something in my records. It is the marriage of Charles' son. It has him as Charles J Wilson, Jr

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Okay, this is a list of Carl / Charles / Karl whose last name starts with Ols whose occupation involved the sea, as sailor, fisher, navigator, etc. and were born 1833-1835 from the 1865 Norwegian census transcription online and then birth records corresponding to the named person found online . This is a sort of weird tack, because your Charles is already established in America by that time, but just in case one of these was born on the correct date and with the possibility that his family reported their sailor or seafarer as residing at home when possibly still at sea:


1. 1865 Ole Carl Ols lodger styrmand ug 31 b. Chrisitansand
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f61001&gardpostnr=232&personpostnr=2610&merk=2610#ovre

#177 22 Aug 1834
Source information: Vest-Agder county, Kristiansand, Parish register (official) nr. A 11 (1827-1841), Birth and baptism records 1834, page 109.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9578&idx_id=9578&uid=ny&idx_side=-108

2. 1865 Carl M Ols. Matros farer tils�es age 33 b. Dr�bak:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f60203&gardpostnr=212&personpostnr=1530&merk=1530#ovre

#3 b. 2 Jan 1834
Source information: Akershus county, Dr�bak, Parish register (official) nr. I 1 (1816-1842), Birth and baptism records 1834, page 175.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7541&idx_id=7541&uid=ny&idx_side=-178

3. 1865 Karl M. Ols. Brother, lodger, sailor b. S�ndeled Landsogn:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f60913&gardpostnr=528&personpostnr=2939&merk=2939#ovre

#2 b 4 Dec 1834:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, S�ndeled in Ris�r, Parish register copy nr. B 2 (1816-1839), Birth and baptism records 1835, page 71.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9839&idx_id=9839&uid=ny&idx_side=-72

4. 1865 Hans Carl Ols age 33 g matros born Porsgrund
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f60805&gardpostnr=25&personpostnr=209&merk=209#ovre

#39 b. 14 May 1833
Source information: Telemark county, Porsgrunn, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1828-1840), Birth and baptism records 1833, page 24.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7880&idx_id=7880&uid=ny&idx_side=-29

5. 1865 Carl Ols 33 b. Hole prjd g
#28 2 Oct 1833
Source information: Buskerud county, Hole, Parish register (official) nr. I 5 (1833-1851), Birth and baptism records men 1834, page 4.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1093&idx_id=1093&uid=ny&idx_side=-6

6. 1865 Carl Edevart Ols 33 g styrmand b. Chrisitansand
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=19&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=267&personpostnr=2736&merk=2736#ovre

#54
Source information: M�re og Romsdal county, Kristiansund, Parish register (official) nr. 572A06 (1832-1842), Birth and baptism records 1833, page 7.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16106&idx_id=16106&uid=ny&idx_side=-7


7. 1865 Carl Ols sailor, 31 b. Forstaden g living in Fredrickstad
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=f60103&gardpostnr=202&personpostnr=3053&merk=3053#ovre
Not found in Fredrickstad books

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