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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 29/05/2012 : 00:55:49
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Here is a stretch. A Seaman coming from Panama, arriving Feb 29, 1860. He is listed as a Destitute Seaman sent to NYC by the American Consul. There are about five other seaman included on this page with the same designation.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Wilson
Arrival Date: 29 Feb 1860
Port of Departure: Aspinwall, Panama
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Northern Light |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 01:24:31
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Amazing! ! !
This could be him. It seems maybe the American Consul would take charge of a man only if he is an American citizen, but Charles could have been a citizen by then or claimed to be. If he "jumped ship" in Panama, he would be probably be flat broke - destitute.
Another avenue to investigate. I'll try to find the same (Ancestry.com?) and check out his age - unless you already saw that?
Wouldn't it be fun if this is Charles? Yes we would not learn his home in Norway, but at least we would take one step back in time, very important.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 02:57:00
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I'll try to find the same (Ancestry.com?) and check out his age - unless you already saw that
This was from Ancestry.com. No age listed for any of the five destitute seamen. |
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
62 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 03:17:34
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| It all brings more hope and more thinking! Thanks. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 17:10:37
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Some learning resources:
Kirkebøker - parish registers - article
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/kirkebok.html
Norwegian kirkebøker - parish registers by John Follesdal
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na20.html
Posted by Hopkins here on Norway-Heritage website:
“The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005. The Digitalarkivet web site:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version]. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 19:45:38
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What about the image of the handwritten note?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 19:49:55
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A small crop of Carl Olson confirmations from Oslo Hospitalet / Gamlebyen parish register 1848, 1849, 1850, 1851:
Confirmation year given as 1849, but no complete date, page 396, #19 Carl Olaus Olsen baptized 3 Aug 1834 born in Aker, vaccinated 1835 by Gjerstrom, parents Ole Christophersen and Berte Hansdtr
Carl Olaus Olsen #25 born 12 July 1834:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo Hospital / Gamlebyen, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1829-1849), Fødte og døpte 1834, side 39.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7704&idx_id=7704&uid=ny&idx_side=-42
396, #24 Carl Frederik Olsen baptized 19 April 1834 born in Grønland, vaccinated 1834 Gjerdstrom; parents are Ole Christiansen and Martha Torgersdatter
confirmation date 27 April 1851, page ____
#19 Carl Edvart Olson born 18 Mar 1835 Osloe, vaccinated 1836 Andersen, parents are Ole Vilhelmsen and Ingeborg Marie Carlsdtr |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 20:13:20
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Jan Peter - I asked about the photo too - Jack says he is looking for it. Apparently he could not find it right away.
jkmarler - This is very promising information!
Carl Olaus Olsen being baptized 3 Aug 1834 could mean he is born in June, which would fit the "family story" in USA.
Carl Edvart Olson born 18 Mar 1835 in Osloe is promising as he is born in Oslo with his father's name Vilhelmsen - which could lead to an Americanized name of Charles Olson Wilson.
Carl Frederik is one to keep in mind.
I found a description of a Charles Wilson shipping out of Aspinwall Panama in 1867.
from Ancestry.com
Name: Charles Wilson
Arrival Date: 25 May 1867
Birth Year: abt 1831
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Aspinwall, Panama
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Ocean Queen
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 20:20:41
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For some reason I did not see this one before : Yes a good possibility! It is fantastic you are finding all these leads! It is such a blessing to have the help of everyone.
Charles Wilson age 35 - Lighterman - Place of Birth Sweden, still unmarried? Maybe more than one, eh.
Birth year is off a little but how many Charles Wilsons, Lighterman born in Sweden can there be.
U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865
Name: Charles Wilson
Residence: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Class: 1
Congressional District: 2nd
Age on 1 July 1863: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Race: White
Marital Status: Unmarried (Single)
Place of Birth: Sweden
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 20:25:57
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The 1910 census for James did not work for me (don't know why) so now I've that census on Ancestry:
1910
Brooklyn, Ward 22, Kings, New York
336 Prospect Ave.
George Hewins 79 English to USA 1850 retired
James Robinson 58 son-in-law, born in Sweden, to USA 1870 married 33 years, naturalized citizen, LONGSHOREMAN, working on the docks
Mary Robinson 53 born in New York |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 20:41:58
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So that 1910 census is a perfect fit with the 1900 census originally posted by lyndal40
1900 United States Federal Census
Brooklyn Ward 12, Kings, New York,
147 Henry Street
James Robertson [= Robinson] 48, born OCT 1851 in Sweden, to USA 1872, married 23 years, LONGSHOREMAN
Mary Robertson b NOV 1852 New York - HAS HAD 14 CHILDREN, 1 LIVING CHILD, married about 1877 father born England mother born Ireland
DAUGHTER JENNIE age 16 born AUG 1883 in New York
I suppose Jennie could marry a Wilson and thus James would be father-in-law - to explain James's burial in 1915 in the Wilson family lot. ust an idea. At the least, the families probably knew each other as both men are longshoremen in Brooklyn. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2012 : 20:52:25
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posted by jkmarler
"In addition to the James / Maren Wilson family mentioned before, there is this family headed by Ralph Wilson who married Ingeborg Marie Clemmetsdtr. Here they are in the 1865 census"
I have been looking for connections in USA - I see an Alexander Wilson in New York (upstate New York) born 1832 in Norway - etc. - will post solid connections.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 03:06:33
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While there is a Christiania/Kristiania/Oslo as a city that may have been mentioned on the back of the postcard, there are other cities that would also fit. One of them is Kristiansand in Vest-Agder. There is a family living in that region by the name of Vilson or Wilson, both names are used in the records and in the census data. In the 1865 Census there is a man John Wilson born in 1836. Reason for the interests is the name Wilson and the English name John and the birth year close to that of Charles. Anyway here is his birth record. See #4
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=935&idx_id=935&uid=ny&idx_side=-97
A problem here is that John;s father is named Henrik not Ole and I did search 1834 and 1835 without turning up a Charles. |
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
62 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 03:17:14
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Is there a way to make it clearer? I can't see it but it sounds interesting. Thank you.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
While there is a Christiania/Kristiania/Oslo as a city that may have been mentioned on the back of the postcard, there are other cities that would also fit. One of them is Kristiansand in Vest-Agder. There is a family living in that region by the name of Vilson or Wilson, both names are used in the records and in the census data. In the 1865 Census there is a man John Wilson born in 1836. Reason for the interests is the name Wilson and the English name John and the birth year close to that of Charles. Anyway here is his birth record. See #4
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=935&idx_id=935&uid=ny&idx_side=-97
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
62 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 03:23:14
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This is very interesting. Did all the children die except
for Jennie? I wonder what happened to mother and daughter?
As for a marriage, it couldn't be as I know every Wilson back then.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by JaneC
So that 1910 census is a perfect fit with the 1900 census originally posted by lyndal40
1900 United States Federal Census
Brooklyn Ward 12, Kings, New York,
147 Henry Street
James Robertson [= Robinson] 48, born OCT 1851 in Sweden, to USA 1872, married 23 years, LONGSHOREMAN
Mary Robertson b NOV 1852 New York - HAS HAD 14 CHILDREN, 1 LIVING CHILD, married about 1877 father born England mother born Ireland
DAUGHTER JENNIE age 16 born AUG 1883 in New York
I suppose Jennie could marry a Wilson and thus James would be father-in-law - to explain James's burial in 1915 in the Wilson family lot. ust an idea. At the least, the families probably knew each other as both men are longshoremen in Brooklyn.
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