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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 26/07/2011 : 21:40:15
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Ivar Svendsen (Iver Sveinsen) died June 30 1864 37 years old, see #32. No cause of death given.
Iver Svendsen was born out of wedlock Jan 1 1828, see #11. His father Svend Iversen was 28 years old and came from Aal parish. The mother Gjertrud Nielsdatter was 21 years and came from Traassevig.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/08/2011 07:55:03 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 26/07/2011 : 22:31:32
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Brynild Halvorsdatter was born Aug 9 1831, see #94, Her parents were Halvor Torstensen and Sigrid Paulsdatter who were married Oct 22 1821, see #36.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 26/07/2011 : 22:35:34
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Also was a name given to the twin?
- he was baptized Halvor, and died Aug 7 1864, see #26.
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Edited by - eibache on 26/07/2011 22:41:21 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
185 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2011 : 00:27:45
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Ok so just trying to connect the dots, Below is the emmigration record for Svein:
Outmigrating in 1883 for America, #1 on right hand side:
Source information: Buskerud county, Nore in Nore, Parish register (official) nr. II 1 (1878-1886), Emigration records 1883, page 134.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4190&idx_id=4190&uid=ny&idx_side=-102
American census record record him immigrating in 1883 so this matches. I can not read Norwegian so can someone translate this and tell me if the information provided state where he immigrated? What port? Does it list the if Svein stated what state of America he was going to immigrate too? Thank you all for your help, you are clearing up a mystery for me.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2011 : 00:46:31
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Hi,
Going with eibache's interpretation of the father's name for Iver Sveinson and my read of the farm name Slaata in the same entry, Svend Ivarsen must be the one born in 1796 (and also found on Slaata in the 1801 census)
Folk og Fortid i Hol, VII pages 379 and 666 cover Svend. No illegitimate children are mentioned in the parts about Svend but says he was married twice, first time to Johanne Jensdtr (1810-1833) and it is thought that they lived in Laerdal, Johanne's home, for a time after they married. Their first son Ivar Sveinson was born in Laerdal in 1829. Svein married a second time to Tørand Jonsdatter (born 1799) in 1835.
So depending on when the marriage to Johanne took place, this Svend could have been an ungkarl on 1 Jan 1828, No date of death for Svend is given.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/07/2011 : 00:49:24
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Information from his em. record:
nr 1 February America bachelor and laborer Svend Iversen Rustanejet 1862 b. April 6. -62 bap. June 18. -62, confirmated Mai 13. -77 Dated Feb. 19.- 83
Information tells Svend left a son in Norway, no date or name given.
Perhaps we can find him tomorrow.
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2011 : 04:11:13
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OK, jkmarler, are we talking about the father of Ivar Svendsen (Father of Svend Iverson) that was born out of wedlock? (Svend grandfather??)
Kåarto- this one is new to me. Svend Iverson had left a son in Norway when he immigrated. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2011 : 05:38:26
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Hi,
Yes Svend Ivarsson the grandfather of Svend Iverson the immigrant, born in Hol, Hallingdal, Norway. Son of Ivar Sveinson b. 1764 d 16 Dec 1836 & Ingeborg Hermosdatter b. 1768 d. by 18 July 1818.
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2011 : 07:09:59
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| Thanks Jackie. What are the odds that this Svend Iverson the immigrant is really the guy that lived in Cottenwood, County, Minnesota? Any there any direct link between these two besides the information I provided? Passport, Immigration or Naturalization papers, anything? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2011 : 09:51:25
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To satisfy yourself, you could
1."Redo" the searches in the 1865 census and see if you get the same results.
2. Look at any of the other 3 Svends I came up with and see if they have any other circumstances similar to the known facts on your Svend (twinship, leaving date, etc) & followup
3. Make a table of the known characteristics/facts of your Svend and then vette each other possible checking off if they matchand see which one most closely matches your info.
4. Scrupulously collect every piece of information & document on Svend's life here. (This you should be doing anyway but most people think they have it all and they almost never do!) Who were Svend's friends, were there other people who might have been named as relatives, such as in his obituary? Did he join a bygdelag (regional heritage group) here (there is a Numedalslag which would cover Nore) or a Sons of Norway chapter which might have records on him. Who were the godparents at his children's baptisms? Sometimes they are friends from the old country or relatives. The church record of his marriage might also be a place where a biographical detail might connect him to the right Svend in Norway.
5. Follow up on Svend's mother--did she marry again and have additional children? Are there other aunts, uncles and cousins in Norway? If so there might be letters and such from Svend preserved on their side of the pond,
You asked which record might contain the "missing link"--it might not be just one but all sorts of invisible strands which bind him to his family. If you don't look for them you will not find them.
Good Luck to you. |
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Lukeduk1980
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2011 : 18:46:02
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| I am actually curious if we can connect the Svend Iverson, The immigrant to the one in Minnesota. Can we translate the record from the parish of his Immigration Feb of 1883. Does it list where he was going? etc. If I can do that, then I can be for sure that this is the correct Svend Iverson. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2011 : 18:54:37
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Information from his em. record:
nr 1 February America bachelor and laborer Svend Iversen Rustanejet 1862 b. April 6. -62 bap. June 18. -62, confirmated Mai 13. -77 Dated Feb. 19.- 83
Information tells Svend left a son in Norway, no date or name given.
Perhaps we can find him tomorrow.
Kåre
Please look at the record and compare to this translation. Amerika is all that it says. As for the other note about Svend leaving a son, I await Kåre's explanation about it. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2011 : 19:07:20
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Hi,
Please look at this link. The last name is questionable but this may be your Svend heading to Lamberton, Minnesota:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1
info seems to have disappeared so am copying in here:
År Side Linjenr Lp.nr. Ny fam.gr. Kontr.dato Reisedato Førenamn Etternamn Yrke Kjønn Alder Heimstad Reisemål Linje Skip Frakt (kr) Frakt (øre) Løyve
62536 1883 312 16 324 1 03.03.1883 05.03.1883 Svend J. Lindtvedt Arb m 19 Nore Num. Lamberton Fr. Lie Island 200 00 P. Attest
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Edited by - jkmarler on 27/07/2011 20:19:50 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2011 : 19:41:14
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Hi,
the information that Svend left a son in Norway comes from this site from 2004.
Kongsberg is a town ab. 100 Km south from Nore.
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