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Cheryl
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 Posted - 06/09/2006 : 00:21:08
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I am still looking for my Hans Myhre in the census. I believe I found him sailing from Liverpool to New York on the Celtic arriving 6/12/1881. He became a US citizen in 1886. How did he get to Liverpool??? I cannot seem to find anything on a Hans Myhre leaving Norway that fits the time frame, etc. Could his name have been different leaving Norway than it was arriving in US???
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Cheryl |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
1100 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 01:12:33
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| Recommend some of the many articles on this site about the voyage, Hull, Liverpool, leaving Norway, Those Norwegian Names. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 01:23:16
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It is interesting that Hans is listed as John Meyer in 1900 and is listed as a minister. He lists his birth as June of 1862! and lists that he immigrated to the US in 1885. He and Swedish born Matilda have been married for 12 years but they do not show any children living in the household.
1910 the family is living in Manitowoc, Wisconsin. Now listed as Hans Meyer - he works as a factory foreman. 6 children in the household - the oldest listed as 20. The son listed as 12 years old is indicated as born in Wisconsin -- (but 10 years earlier his mother lives in Chicago??) The year of Hans immigration appears to read 1882 - but a better image than a scanned copy may improve that reading.
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Cheryl
Starting member
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 00:22:15
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Boy that is interesting. I wonder if John could be a middle name??? He was born June of 1861. They were married in 1888. I do have a copy of his naturalization papers and it is 1886. Didn't they need to be a resident 5 years before they could obtain citizenship??? If so, that means the 1885 immigration date is wrong. Also strange no children listed in 1900. My grandmother was born in 1893. Their oldest child was born 1889 in Chicago along with my grandmother being born in Chicago. I have a copy of her birth certificate. On it, it lists place of birth for Hans as Gornibe. It is written and not typed so I could have that wrong, but no one seems to know where this is in Norway.
I was recently on a cruise and stopped for 1 day in Oslo. What a beautiful city this is!!!
Thanks for your help.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 03:03:13
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If Cook Co or the city of Chicago recorded father's place of birth on a child's birth certificate - why haven't you collected the birth certificates for ALL his children? Wouldn't that increase your chances of getting a birthplace for him that can actually be understood?
Did you find church records in US locations where he and Matilda were members? They were both probably Lutheran and Lutheran ministers were often very good about making notes of WHERE new members had been originally baptised and confirmed.
I know you feel convinced that he was born in 1861 because of his gravestone and obituaries. But keep in mind that HE didn't give the date for those, he was deceased. Someone else did - and possibly someone who was very upset. So keep some flexibility in that. ( I have an official death certificate for my great grandmother - the only correct piece of information besides her death date and cause of death is her name - but that is Americanized. )
City directories for the city of Chicago give you additional information about the family?
I've pretty well exhausted all my ideas to offer you. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 05:00:46
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Hi Cheryl, I think Hopkins has the wrong Meyer in the 1900 census. There is a Hans, last name can't be read, born June 1862 or 1863 living in MANITOWOC. He is Norwegian and immigrated in 1880. Can't read his wife's name but she 35, been married 12 years, has 5 children and was born in Sweden. Luckily the children are listed on the next page, last name Myer. Hard to read the son's names but the daughter is named May born June 1893.
There is a BROTHER living with them John born Sept 1865 in Norway. He immigrated in 1884, is a wood carver and is single. This gives you another individual to search on.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 15:51:53
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I like that find, I really do! The 1900 John Meyer in Chicago did seem a VERY odd match (even if married to a Swedish Matilda, same state birth month and year) but I'd decided to track the wife through censuses and that seemed so uncanny a near match. I'd wonder if that address was near where the family had lived just a couple years earlier - Chicago city directories might clarify that.
With the BROTHER "John" in MANITOWOC that appears to lead right back to the same family group earlier found by 'thelebrity' in Vaaga, Oppland, Norway in the 1865 (edited typo) Norwegian census -
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0515&kenr=002&bnr=0051&lnr=000 |
Edited by - Hopkins on 07/09/2006 19:53:33 |
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Cheryl
Starting member
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 23:58:30
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Ok, so now there is a John Meyer. Was his last name definitely Meyer??? My father said there was never any mention of any relatives of Hans ever coming to this country, but my father also did not know his last name was Myhre and not Meyer. My grandmother's name was Mae or on her birth certificate Marie so that is the May and she was born in 1893. They did go to Manitowoc and that is where he is buried. I have written twice to the Lutheran Church there with no answers. I will request the other birth certificates of the children as you suggested. The other children were Henry, Alfred, Reuben, Rose and Thorval. Not very Norwegian or Swedish names except the Thorval.
Thanks for all your replies. I will start ask my father if he remembers anything about a John Meyer.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 00:27:48
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Being listed in the 1900 census with a last name that looked like John Myer (we think) doesn't mean his last name was definitely anything. It only means that was what appeared in that particular census.
You should gather the best copies of all those censuses and every other record for the family members that you can. You have to make your own decisions. Re-study the article about Norwegian names on this website. |
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Cheryl
Starting member
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Posted - 18/09/2011 : 19:07:49
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I am still searching for my Hans Myhrum/Myhre/Myrum. I have found this recently, but how do I prove this is my Hans.I did find in the 1905 Wisconsin census a brother Myrum. Also, I found in another census a John Myrum living with him.
In this census it says his father is a woodcarver. Both my Hans and his brother John were woodcarvers.
My question is where do I go next to prove this is my family?
Any help would be appreciated.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0515&kenr=002&bnr=0051&lnr=000 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2011 : 19:33:45
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Hi,
There are Cook County Illinois at www.familysearch.org birth certificates for 3 children of a couple named Hans Meyer and Mathilda Sundberg. One of the children's father's birthplace is given as Gulbrandsdalen. You may want to look at each of the 3:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/MZZ9-FT8/p1
How you prove it is by having an exact set of details on your Hans (birthdates, places etc) from records here and then compare to records (in this case Vaage Oppland church registers) and see how closely they match.
Vaage, for instance, is in Gulbrandsdalen, so that might work to help cement the ties between the proposed Hans and your Hans.
In the Gudbrandalslaget Aarbog 13 & 14 published in US about 1926 there are several Myrhes/ Myrom from Vaage listings amongst the membership list:
Myhers, T.J. (Myrhre) Osseo, Wisc. born in US
Myhers, Ole (Myhre) 925 Water Street, Eau Claire, Wisc, came to US in 1881
Myrom, Hans O. Brookings S.D. came to US in 1905
Myrom, Jacob T. Strum, Wisc came to US 1880
Myrom, Mrs. Jacob T (Bakken) Strum, Wisc. came to US in 1879
Myrom, Jacob Eleva, Wisc. born in US
Are any of these names you know?
Good Luck,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 18/09/2011 20:20:05 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2011 : 20:07:52
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Hi.
Hans Olsen b. 1820 you found on Myrum married to Marit Jacobsdatter, 7 children.
Family status; Ind "Inderst" a relative to the owners (probably a son) occ: "Treskjĉrer" Wood carver.
Ronnaug Olsdr. widow b. 1830, same familystatus as Hans Olsen, 3 daughters and a grandson , probably Hans Olsen´s sister?
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 18/09/2011 20:12:56 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2011 : 21:23:05
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Originally posted by Brining
Hi On the LDS IGI there is
HANS HANSEN
Male
Event(s):
Christening:
30 SEP 1860 Vaagaa, Oppland, Norway
Parents:
Father: HANS OLSEN
Mother: MARIT JACOBSDR
So if the birthdate you have is correct then this likely isn't yours 
Carla
Hi Cheryl,
It might do you well to read back through all the old posts on this topic. The Hans Hansen Myrum you found in the 1865 census is likely the child whose baptism was posted by Carla Brining Nov 2003 which you rejected because the birthdate didn't match your records exactly. Sometimes you have to be flexible (the +/- 5 years rule) to find the right one....
I noticed that some of the links in the old posts aren't functional so I am posting the main (old) page for record search at the Norwegian Digital Archives here. If you click on Digitised church books it will take you to the main search page to find the parish registers of Vaage in Oppland fylke which is where you should look.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar&spraak=e
Good Luck,
Jackie M.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/09/2011 : 23:36:08
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Hi.
This is an old topic, so at the risk of a repetition;
Hans Hansen Myren age 20. em. April 24. 1880 from Vaag (Vċgċ) on ship on ship Hero, dest. Chicago, occ. woodcarver.
Hero went to Hull, England where Hans had to change ship, see here
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2011 : 03:12:03
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Cheryl, I wonder if you have the wrong Hans Myhre arrival. Here is another Hans Myhre that fits well with the date of leaving Norway posted by Kċarto. Althoiugh the transcriber read the name as Hans O, I would read it as Hans C and he is going to Chicago.
Name: Hans O Myhren
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Arrival: 11 May 1880
Vessel: Sarmatian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Sarmatian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
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