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Debra
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 Posted - 12/12/2003 : 04:46:29
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I am looking for more information about Martha Hommelvikstrø, born June 23, 1886 and christened August 15, 1886 in Norway. Her parents were married in the Malvik church in Strinden parish. The family emigrated from Strinden in April of 1892. Martha died in Anoka County Minnesota on April 13, 1926.
Her family, consisting of Severin and Marit Hommelvikstrø and their children, Johan, born in 1883, and Martha. I am trying to find this family once they reached Minnesota, USA. Martha (and I am sure the whole family) went by the name Homelvig. The way it looks, because of finding her family's name on her death report (MHS) she never married. I haven't been able to find Johan anywhere yet (used name John too). On their emigration record it looks like they were going to Halstad, Minnesota.
Any help on this family would be appreciated. I think Marit changed her name to Mary when in America. I am sending for Martha's death certificate to , first of all, confirm that this is Mary's daughter and second of all, to see if there is any help on it as far as names to search. Thanks for any help you can provide in helping me find this family here in the US or anything personal about their family from Norway too. I know nothing about Severin and his family. Marit is my grandmother's sister.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 05:53:33
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Hi Debra
Wild Rice Lutheran Church Cemetery
Flom Township, Norman County, Minnesota
Click Here has 4 Homelvig's listed including a John. Maybe yours?
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 17:50:13
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Hi Debra I did a little more looking and found that this family came in the 1870's  Oh well, I will keep looking
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Debra
Junior member
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 18:37:29
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Thanks Carla for trying. I have done oodles of Google searches plus the regular ones and have went through many sites about Norman County trying to find this family. I found the death notice that fits this Martha (Marta?) but need more proof plus to find the rest of the family. I am getting closer and closer to finding the relatives here in the US though and it is exciting. The Martha Hommelvig in the cemetery you found didn't have the right middle initial either but two of those names could have fit (Martha and John). I know if someone can find it, you can as you are the one who found the Sesseng farm! I just don't have the knowlege of what all to look for yet although I am learning more and more each day. I have learned so much about my family so far and get some new clues quite often now.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 20:15:49
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Hi Deb Is this the marriage record for Marit and Severin? Click Here
If so then you could also be looking for Olson since they could have used that name in the US. In the Halstead death index there is a Severine Olson, which is a female name but might be a typo or a daughter?
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Debra
Junior member
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 21:25:45
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HMM, I need to do more reading on what I have on this family. As far as the dates it sounds fine as their son was born in 1883 so that would be a year after the wedding date of 1882. The person from Norway who has been helping me found their emmigration records and they used the Hommelvikstrø name but he said most people changed that to Hommelvig here in America and there were several around the Halstad area who changed their name to that name that were from the area Marit and Severin were from. Then we found that Martha Hommelvig's death notice and it matched this Martha. I am sending for her death certificate to see if I can get more information from it (plus I like to prove the facts).
I thought it was interesting that Marit and her family traveled with Sigrid (Sarah), her sister, to the USA in 1892 and Anna had a prepaid ticket (most likely from Ole) and she went to Quebec where he maybe picked her up and Marit and her family went to Halstad.
Out of curiosity, how would he have went and picked her up--especially since she would have had a trunk with her (I know from family that Anna had her trunk with belongings from Norway). I don't even know how they traveled much back then. That would have been quite a trip from Quebec to Halstad, Minnesota.
I am still hoping to find Sigrid (Sarah) but she is going to be very hard to find as so far I know very little about her. One family member said she remembers visiting a lady called Mrs Thompson and thinks she lived in Kellier, Minnesota by the Canadian border but she was very young and doesn't remember enough about it and children were told to call their elders Mr and Mrs then so she doesn't remember her first name but thinks that may have been Sarah--or it could have been Mary too (Marit).
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 22:18:20
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Hi Debra,
I read a story about some immigrants travelling from Quebec to St. Paul, Minnesota in 1873.
They went by train from Quebec to Grand Haven, Michigan, then crossed the Lake Michigan by boat, and then travelled by train again from Milwaukee, Wi. to their final destination of St. Paul, MN.
I belive travelling by train was the most common means of transport in those days, also if the arrived at Ellis Island.
Read this article "Conserning emigration?", posted in the Norwegian "Billed-Magazin", spring 1869.
It's interesting reading, and decribes several routes to the west, and how to cross Lake Michigan.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 12/12/2003 22:42:37 |
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Debra
Junior member
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 23:17:56
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Thanks Jan, I just read that whole article and saved it, very interesting. I did realize that people used the train back then for travel but I was wondering if Ole went to 'pick up Anna' what mode of transportation most likely would he have used--the train? I am, of course, thinking of our van etc lol. I thought it wa a bit rude to make her sister and family go all the way to Halstad, MN but then realized I suppose it would be a bit much to take all of them plus their life's belongings from Quebec to Halstad.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/12/2003 : 00:54:36
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Hi Debra I don't think Ole would have gone to pick her up at least not to her port of arrival, maybe to the train station  . It wasn't unusual for women to travel to their destination alone. I know both of my Great Grandmothers made the trip with children by themselves. Also I don't know if Ole would have been the person to have paid for her trip since he emigrated before Anne was even born. More that likely another relative or friend paid her fare.
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Debra
Junior member
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Posted - 13/12/2003 : 02:15:24
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Carla, remember that Ole and Anna were married though and had five children together. She married him the year after she immigrated so I am quite sure that he was the one who prepaid her ticket as it was someone in America and her and Marit (and family) were the first ones to come over unless Sigrid (Sarah) did and I doubt she would have sent her a ticket and not Marit? My sister and I were wondering if Ole and their father knew each other as they were close to the same age and from the same area?
I am going to start looking for the name Olsen for Marit's family but I still think that death notice is Martha, Marit's daughter. I will be able to tell when I get the death certificate I hope. I think that marriage on the LDS is Severin and Marit (Marit is spelled wrong) as it is the same date and year that I have and place--the Malvik church in Strinden. Another clue to go on.
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Brining
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Posted - 15/12/2003 : 02:31:27
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Hi Deb I still think it would have been more likely for a Uncle or cousin to pay for the passage but who knows.
Strangely there seems to be more of a connection between Severin and Ole Halstad.
Here is Severin's christening record. His father and mother were not married. He is listed as female but I'm sure that is wrong.
In the 1875 Census living with his mother and step father on Halstadtrø. Ole and Severin are about the same age so could have know each other.
Hopefully Severin didn't die and Marit/Mary re marry. You might have to check out the Norman county marriage index.
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Debra
Junior member
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Posted - 15/12/2003 : 05:13:04
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Oh my, this family is getting most interesting the more I find! I printed those two things out (from above) and am trying to figure them out since I don't read Norwegian--maybe you or someone can help me. Why would Marit and Severin go by Hommelvikstrø when his last name was Olsen (or a bunch of other names)? Also, what does mors mosted mean and under that it says Hommelvigthøen? Another place on there it says Hmemmedåp Uekte and under it says opg. af Anders L.
Hommelvigtrøe. 1. Leirm.
I don't think I did so well on that but I tried! It doesn't seem to make sense to me but I see the 'names' there so would like to know what the rest is if you would please translate for me, thanks.
About Ole Halstad--I didn't quite understand everything about all of that but I understood about the ages. Remember though that Ole married Anna the year after she came to US and Marit and family had came at the same time--then Anna was married to Ole until he died and she actually had her last child AFTER he died in 1903. So I don't think Marit had anything to do with him but they maybe (most likely) all knew each other! So Ole and Severin were on the same Halstad**** farm in Selbu? This is all a very interesting story.
I am still trying to find another girl we lost somewhere in Norway. Grandmother's sister Kari (yes, her mother was Kari too) married Andersen Fleskhus in 1885 and had a daughter Kristine. In 1888 Kari died (Kristine would have been 3 years old). In 1900 census it shows her father Andersen Fleskhus and his new wife Gurine living in Trondheim with new daughter Helene (born in 1889). Where did poor little Kristine go, she would have only been five years old and we lost her!! (for a little background, Kari, her mother was born in 1859 to Kari Jonasdatter Øver-Solem and Neils Pedersen in Selbu on a cotter's farm on the Sesseng farm-I am sure you remember helping me with those people).
I feel so bad for poor little Kristine as we don't know where she ended up--why wasn't she with her father--or WAS he her father? Her aunts on her mom's side all went to America and her one uncle died and the other had a large family of his own and she wasn't on the census with his family at the Sæter farm.
Thanks for all the help. Deb |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 15/12/2003 : 13:41:48
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Hi Debra;
Mors bosted means "mothers residence". Fars bosted means "fathers residence".
This is the christening record of Severin, and it says that his mother Joneta Andersdatter lived on the farm Hommelvigtrøen.
Severin is an illegitimate child, and the priests source for this information is a man by the name of "Anders L. Hommelvigtrøen"... 
1. Leirm. ("leiermål") means that this is their first illegitimate child.
Note: Under sex ("kjønn") ist says Female...! (K=kvinne [female], M=mann [male]. I guess that's why there is some exclamation marks behind the name...
One of the two coloumns are wrong, because Severin is not a female name. It also says O.d., which looks like short for Olsdatter, ie. the daughter of Ole....
I guess the "K" is wrong though.
Severin was christened at home ("hjemmedåp") by Ingebrigt Fodvold.
In those days it was common to add the farm-name to the persons name, just to indicate where the person came from. And since he is the son of Ole, his patronym would be Olsen.
His full name in those days would then be Severin Olsen Hommelvigtrøen.
Whether or when he used the farm-name is more randomly.
If he moved to a new location, the old farm-name would of course not be a valid lastname anymore.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/12/2003 : 18:55:58
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Hi Debra,
here is a map covering the area.
Hommelvik is the bay you see between Malvik and Trondheim Airport Værnes. (Vik = Creek / Bay )
The distance Hommelvik - Selbu is about 60 miles.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/12/2003 : 19:44:13
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Originally posted by Debra
About Ole Halstad--I didn't quite understand everything about all of that but I understood about the ages.
Remember though that Ole married Anna the year after she came to US and Marit and family had came at the same time--then Anna was married to Ole until he died and she actually had her last child AFTER he died in 1903. .
On Ole Halstad, my assumption is that he lived on one of the Halstad gaards (farms) as did Severine (at least for a while). There are other Halstad gaards in Norway so Ole may not have been from the Strinda area.
One thing you have to remember is that it was a whole different situation back then and marriages could happen fast and they were as often for conveniance as for love. No long courtship needed  My great grandmother married a man 20 years her junior! Sometimes you just wish you could go back and get the real story. 
I think I have found the death record for Ole's 2nd wife Anna. It is listed in the Norman county death index as Anna Holstad (typo or transcription error) She died Jan 3 1893, which would have been after your Anna arrived and 6 months before she married Ole.
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Debra
Junior member
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Posted - 15/12/2003 : 22:38:25
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That is interesting. My family and I have talked about this a lot and we think maybe they all knew each other? Maybe our Anna went to help out the Halstad's if that Anna was sick and then when she died those two got married, sounds terrible but sort of sounds right too?! I will look in Norman county for that death record as I want a printout of it for my records in case it is her. I am trying to get a timeline in that family as well as trying to figure them out. Trying to figure the whole family out is quite interesting. I think they were very poor and did what they needed to survive. I do still think that Ole sent for Anna though as her family was way too poor to help her much. I don't know for sure if Ole was married three times or not. His grandson says he was but I can't find proof of it and someone who was helping me from Norway doesn't think he was unless we can find proof of it. I had found a marriage between Ole Johnsen and the Ane that was on the Halstad farm at the same time as he was but she would have been way too young to be married so I guess it wasn't her.
And Jan, thanks so much for the map. I love looking at where things happen to get an idea of how things were at that time and where--that map you sent here is really good--I printed it out.
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