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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01/01/2004 : 22:19:07
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Hi everyone this is my first post. My GGFather came from Norway, His name I,m told is very common...Axel Johansen. He was, I am told,a seaman, who presumably met my GGMother while he was in South Shields and stayed here. He died in 1929 at the age of 69 I have no proof of this but that would give hm a dob.of 1860. Their first child was registered in 1891, and the first record I have of him is in the 1900 census where his country of birth is Norway with an aside that he is nationalised, I have heard from other family history channels that this is rarely true! Unfortunately I cant find any record of their marriage either, .
I suppose the way to go would be to look for any nationalisation cert and burrow through crew lists at the PRO but If any member has a better idea I would be grateful |
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thelebrity
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 01/01/2004 : 22:51:18
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You could give us some more information. Did he immigrate to the USA or the UK? Was his child in 1891 born in Norway or USA/UK? What was the name of this child/other children? What was the name of his wife?
Johansen is a very common name. Axel isn't that common.
Unfortunately the Digitalarkivet (www.digitalarkivet.no) is not up at the moment, so we can't check the norwegian emigrant lists, but there are only just above 20 persons named A(ks)xel Johan(n)(e)(s)sen born between 1855 and 1865 in the 1865 census if you deduct those still living in Norway according to the 1900 census. |
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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
28 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2004 : 23:13:05
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| Thanks for the reply, sorry, South Shields is in the UK. It was a large shipping port on the river Tyne, in fact there,s still a ferry to Bergen from the Tyne.The children were registered in South Shields. His wife my g,g,mother (but no proof yet they married) was called Catherine Robertson (she was a widow) I had no idea that there where only 20 persons of that name in that time window, |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 16:52:14
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Hi Jim
This might be Axel Johansen in the 1875 census. He was a "boy servant" at Consul Gerner. His brother was a sailor (matros=able seaman). This Aksel was living with his family in Moss, his father was Johan Reier, a house carpenter. If this is your Aksel the next step should be to check the sailors registers for Moss. (See my article about Maritime inscription - registers of seamen. The records for Moss are kept at the archives in Oslo:
Statsarkivet i Oslo
Address:
Folke Bernadottes vei 21
Postboks 4015 Ulleval Stadion
0806 Oslo.
You might get them to do a lookup for him if you include as much information as possible about his date and place of birth. They are usually not very happy about doing research, but if you have enough information so that they can find him without using too much time, they might do it.
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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 19:05:55
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| Hi Borge, thanks for the quick reply, what a great site, I had allmost given up hope of ever finding him, and within a couple of posts I seem to be a lot nearer. As I cant speak Norwegian will these sites accept query,s in English ? Once again thanks . |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 19:16:23
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| It is no problem writing in English to the Statsarkivet in Oslo. You can actually use English without any problems almost everywhere in Norway. |
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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 19:20:41
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| Thanks I,ll write tonight |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 19:54:30
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| Do you think that this is the right Axel then? |
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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 20:26:43
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Well..........Ive been trying to look at the census,s Lets say that he was born in 1860, give or take 2 years. He would be in the 1865 census and maybe in the 1875 census if he wasnt allready at sea. But as his first child was born in the uk in 1891 im not expecting him to be in the 1890 census (unless he was on a fast tea clipper  ).but on the birth certificate he was down as a seaman. It would be a bonus if there was only one Axel Johansen DOB 1860 in the merchant seamen archives.
When Im searching for him, do I call him Axel Johansen or Aksel Johannessen? In someof the uk search engines it doesnt matter but Im finding it a bit heavy reading. Oh another question,sorry, is the female name Ulvena/Elvena Norwegian as he called one of his later children that name. Thanks
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 21:07:27
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That last information about the naming of one of his children makes me believe that this is really the right person. From the 1875 census we see that a sister was named Elvine.
Johan Reier - m (male) - hf (housefather) - g (married) - Hustømmermand (house carpenter) - born 1801 in Moss
Anne Jakobsdatter - k (female) - Hans Kone (his wife) - g (married) - born 1825 in Soner
Edvord Johansen - m (male) - Johan Reier's son - ug (not married) - Matros (able seaman) - born 1857 in Moss
Aksel Johansen - m (male) - Johan Reier's son - Tjenestedreng hos Konsul Gerner (servant boy at Consul Gerner) born 1860 in Moss
Elise Johansdatter - k (female) - d (daughter) - born 1863 in Moss
Elvine Johansdatter* - k (female) - d (daughter) - born 1866?? in Moss
When writing to the archive you should let them know that he was called Aksel in the 1875 census, but later went be the name Axel in the UK. |
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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 21:20:17
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| Borge its looking even better....he called his first son (my grandfather) John Edward Johansen, which looks like his brothers name.........I,m trying not to get too excited though. I have an old uncle (Axles grandson) and I will phone him and see if anything jogs his memory..ie Oslo/Moss thanks again |
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 22:06:31
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This is from the 1865 census:
Johan Christophersen - hf (house father) - Hus Tømmerman (house carpenter) - g (married) - age 65 - born Heløen?? near Moss
Anne Kaspara Jakopsdatter - Hans Kone (his wife) g (married) age 40 - born ??ner Sogn
Edvart Marinius Johannsen - Deres Søn (their son) - ug - age 10 - born Moss
Axel Johannsen* - Deres Søn (their son) - ug - age 7 - born Moss
Elise Kirstine Johannsdatter* - Deres Datter (their daugther) - ug - age 4 - born Moss
Age for Axel is off by 2 years! |
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 22:29:30
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This looks to be Axel's grandfather and grandmother (and aunt) in the 1801 census:
Smaalehnene Amt - Mosse Prestegjeld - Mosse Landsogn Sokn - Nr. 17 Reyer Gard (Reier)
Christopher Joensen - Mand (male) - age 36 - Begge i 1ste ægteskab (both in first marriage) - Huusmand med jord (crofter with land)
Maren Hansdtr - Hans kone (his wife) - age 24 - Begge i 1ste ægteskab
Else Christophersdtr - Deres barn (their child) age 3 - Ugivt
Anne Marie Hansdtr - Tienestepige (servant) age 15
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jim ht
Starting member
United Kingdom
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 22:57:22
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Borge thanks very much for all your doing for me...
Is Anne Jacobsdatter and Hans Kone the same woman? I have phoned my uncle but he knows very little, If this works out ok then Ive promised him a trip to Moss. Ive got to sit down now and write that letter to Oslo......many thanks |
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jim ht
Starting member
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 23:07:52
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| Sorry.....Hans Kone = his wife...........see the thickheads you have to help.... |
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Jo Anne Sadler
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