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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
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 Posted - 04/03/2004 : 01:54:16
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THIS FORUM NEW TO ME AND I AM STUMBLING AROUND FROM ONE PAGE TO ANOTHER. NOT SURE I AM IN THE CORRECT AREA. WELL HERE GOES.
I AM TRYING TO FIND SOME INFORMATION ON MY FATHERS FAMILY. HE WAS BORN IN MOSS IN 1879. HIS FATHER WAS PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND DIED WHEN MY DAD WAS 9. MY DAD WAS 13 WHEN HE, HIS MOTHER 2 SISTERS WENT TO CHICAGO ILLINOIS USA.
MY FATHERS NAME WAS CONRAD BERTRAN ANDERSEN. HIS FATHERS NAME WAS ANTON CHRISTIAN?? ANDERSEN. MOTHER OLENE INGWAHLSON.
THE MOTHER AND SISTERS RETURNED TO NORWAY AROUND 192I OR 1922.
I HAVE SEARCHED DIFFERENT SITES TILL I TURN BLIND AND FIND NOTHING. ANY SUGGESTIONS OR HELP WITH THIS WILL BE VERY APRECIATED.
GOOD WISHES TO ALL OF YOU.
LOSTONE |
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askeroi
Senior member
Norway
299 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2004 : 12:47:42
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| I can't find any suitable parents in the 1875 cencus for Moss. You don't happen to know (approximately) when Anton and Olava are born? |
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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2004 : 19:58:13
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Thanks for you efforts Askeroi. Sorry I took so long to respond. The wife and I were out of town for a few days. I can only guess about Antons birthdate. Around 1848 plus or minus 10 yrs. I would think {Olene} (not Olava) would fall into the same area. The only other information I have, is that Anton was a firefighter in Moss and died after fighting a fire on the warfs and falling into the bay and contracting pneumonia.
Would the fire fighters union or city records show this?? this would have been in 1988 +/- a year.
Conrad, my dad, joined the US navy when he was 17- 1896 and I find these records. Would they be of help??
I realize the time you must devote to this site and appreciate it. I hope it is rewarding for you.
Thanks again Paul C Andersen |
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askeroi
Senior member
Norway
299 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 12:50:36
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Hi Paul
I only try to "pay back" for the help I got on these pages some years ago. And it's quite a thrill to "see" the joy of people who receives help.
But so far I'm stuck on your "case". According to the cencus' 1865 and 1875 there aren't any suitable grandparents of you in Moss as far as I can see. Unfortunately there are no firefighters either untill the 1900 cencus. It looks like it's was some voluntary thing at the time you're asking about.
Sorry about calling Olene Olava. Unlike your grandfathers names this isn't and wasn't too common in Norway. Neither are surnames/patronymicons like Ingvald (in various spellings).
Still I didn't manage to get any hits in Moss neither in 1865 nor 1875. The closest I could find was a 19 year old daughter on a farm in Aker (in 1865). Of course it could be her unmarried, but chances are remote.
Of course they could have moved to Moss between 1875 and 1879, but just as likely may it be that your father wasn't born within the town of Moss, but in the Moss area. So what? Well, the 1875 cencus isn't complete (in searchable format) for the complete distict.
What's the names of the two sisters? Maybe we can trace the family through one of them? Are they older or younger than your father, by the way.
Sorry I didn't find anything positive to say at this stage.
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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2004 : 17:22:56
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THANKS ASKEROI.
I will dig around in family letters etc. and see if I can find anything more to use. It may be that the family moved from some where to MOSS and most of the records are in another location.
Thanks again for all your efforts.
Paul |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 07:08:16
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Hi Paul I think I've found your father on the LDS. Everything seems to fit except for his father's 1st name of Anton.
KRISTIANSEN, Konrad Bertrand
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1879
Christening Date: 29 Mar 1880 Recorded in: Moss, Ostfold, Norway
Collection: Moss; Den Norske Kirke
Father: Kristian ANDERSEN
Mother: Oline INGVALDSEN
Source: FHL Film 255780 Dates: 1877 - 1888
There are 3 other children born to Kristian and Oline
KRISTIANSDATTER, Gudrun Leonora
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1882
Christening Date: 10 Apr 1882
KRISTIANSEN, Einar Leopold
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Mar 1884
Christening Date: 28 Sep 1884
KRISTIANSDATTER, Valgerd Therese
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1888
Christening Date: 2 Dec 1888
Hopefully this helps in the hunt
Carla |
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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2004 : 19:42:08
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WELL CARLA!!!! YOU'RE A SWEET HEART!! THANKS THANKS THANKS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. YOU MUST HAVE PUT IN A QUITE A BIT OF TIME. AGAIN THANK YOU.
I AM NOT SURE HOW THE "ANTON" NAME GOT IN THERE. MAYBE IT IS A "KNICK NAME"???
FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THERE ARE TWO MORE SONS OF KRISTIAN'S. ONE IS ART OR ARTHOR AND THE OTHER IS WILLIAM OR VILLHELM. WE CALLED HIM UNCLE BILL. OF COURSE THE SPELLING IN NORWEGION MAY BE DIFFERENT. I ONLY SAW ONE OF MY DADS SIBLINGS. UNCLE BILL. I WAS ABOUT 7 OR 8 I THINK, IN PORTLAND OREGON.
MY NEXT QUESTION HERE IS THE BIG ONE I GUESS. HOW DOES ONE GO ABOUT FINDING RELATIVES USING THIS INFORMATION?? COULD YOU FILL ME IN ON WHAT IS NEEDED??
CARLA I CAN'T FIND WORDS TO THANK YO U ENOUGH. THIS IS JUST GREAT.
(((((((((((((((((((((( CARLA ))))))))))))))))) HUGS FOR CARLA
ALL THE REST OF YOUR INFORMATION SEEMS TO BE CORRECT AND IS ABOUT MY GRANDDAD AND GRANDMOM
I WAS THE LAST ONE BORN TO MY MOM AND DAD AND NEVER DID GET TO MEET ANY OF DADS FAMILY EXCEPT FOR UNCLE BILL. ALL OF MY MOMS RELATIVES AND MY MOM WERE NOT SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER. SO I HAD NO COUSINS OR OTHERS TO MEET THERE.
iT WAS SOMETHING REGARDING RELIGION THAT BROKE UP THAT FAMILY.
I HAVE HAD THIS LONGING TO MEET SOME RELATIVES IN NORWAY FOR A LONG TIME.
GETTING A COMPUTER AND GOING ON THE INTERNET FINALLY MAKES IT POSSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE .
MANY MANY THANKS AGAIN CARLA. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 20/03/2004 : 05:37:56
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Hi Paul, You are very welcome. It is always rewarding when we can find some information. It would be helpful if we could find them in a census or on the passenger lists.
You said that Oline and daughters returned to Norway. Did they move back or just go for a visit? Did Oline re-marry and have a different last name? How about the daughters? If they were visiting there is a chance they are in the Digitalarkivet's emigrant list and we could find more info if we knew what name they were traveling under.
Have you located your Dad or anyone else in the family in the census? That could tell what year they emigrated and help narrow the search.
I think I found Einar listed in the Silverton Cemetery, Silverton, Marion County, Oregon I don't know if that helps. Click Here
You might want to try the Moss Family History Society Click Here I think you have to join. I think it works out to around $30.00 US dollar. They might have the info you need
Carla |
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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 20/03/2004 : 18:46:42
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HELLO CARLA. THIS GETS MORE INTERESTING AS TIME GOES ON. I WAS TOLD BY MY DAD THAT BOTH EINAR AND ART OR ARTHUR ?? BOTH DIED IN CHICAGO ILLINOIS. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE LATE 1800'S OR EARLY 1900'S AND THAT UNCLE BILL OR WILLIAM OR VILHELM DIED IN PORTLAND OREGON. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND THE 1940'S. OLINE AND BOTH OF HER DAUGHTERS MOVED BACK TO NORWAY AND DIED THERE OF OLD AGE.
OF COURSE UNCLE BILL COULD HAVE HAD EINAR'S BODY SENT TO PORTLAND FROM CHICAGO I GUESS.
I NEVER HEARD OF OLINE REMARRYING OR A CHANGE OF NAME. I FIND IT ODD THAT SO LITTLE CONTACT AND DISCUSSION OF MY DADS FAMILY TOOK PLACE IN OUR HOME. FAMILY DYNAMICS CAN BE WIERD I SUPPOSE.
IN THE CENSUS RECORDS I FOUND, I DIDN'T GET A HIT ON ANYTHING.
AT THE TIME THEY RETURNED TO NORWAY, I DON'T THINK EITHER SISTER WAS MARRIED. I THINK BOTH MARRIED IN NORWAY LATER.
MY DAD CAME TO THE USA WHEN HE WAS 13, I WAS TOLD. THAT WOULD BE AROUND 1892/93 . I THINK TWO OR MORE OF HIS BROTHERS WERE ALREADY HERE. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 21/03/2004 : 18:25:58
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Hi Paul, Interesting about Einar. The one I found has the correct birth year but he was married so probably not yours.
The good news. I found Oline in the 1900 census in Cook County Illinois, West town, at 198 Erie with Arthur, Einar and Conrad but no girls ?? maybe not listed or working as servants someplace.
Olina Anderson born Jan 1840 children 10, 6 living (may be 8), emigrated 1893
Arthur born Nov 1877 emigrated 1886 ??
Conrad born Nov 1878 emigrated 1893
Einar born Mar 1884 emigrated 1893
Interesting Arhur was 9 when he came to the US I would think if true he would have come with someone.
I found a possibility for William in Cook county, married to a Martha. He emigrated in 1887.
Little bits of information but still can't find them in Norway. It's frustrating not to find them. Maybe someone else can come up with Oline in the 1865 census.
Carla |
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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2004 : 03:58:01
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SORRY MY LAST POST ENDED ABRUPTLY. I GOT A LITTLE EMOTIONAL AND HAD TO QUIT. THERE SHOULD BE A THIRD DAUGHTER, A DAGMAR. MARRIED ON HER RETURN TO NORWAY TO A OLSEN?? I HAVE A PAPER FROM A BANK WITH A CHECK SENT TO ME IN 05/12/1962 WERE SHE IS REFERED TO AS "DAGMAR OLSENS DODSBO".
IS THIS INFORMATION GATHERED SO FAR ENOUGH TO USE IN FINDING AND CONTACTING EXISTING RELATIVES???
HOW DO I GO ABOUT IT?? |
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thelebrity
Senior member
Norway
234 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2004 : 15:05:38
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| Dagmar Olsens dødsbo means Dagmar Olsens (death)estate. Which indicates she died in 1962. What bank issued the check? Maybe that can help trace descendants of Dagmar. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 26/03/2004 : 05:38:30
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Hi You could try sending a query to the newspaper in Moss. Click Here We know that they lived in Moss for a while but it would help to locate Oline and Kristian on the census to know where they were born.
You could also try posting at the Digitalarkivet debate forum. You will see most of the queries in Norwegian but if you post in English you should get a reply in English Click Here Click on "Enter New Topic" to enter your query.
Or you can join the Norway-L mailing list and post a query with them Click Here Before joining the mailing list you may want to read some of the FAQ Here
Both the Digitalarkivet and the Norway-L list have lots of great people who may be able to help you. When posting make sure and give all the info or refer to your post here so they don't have to do double work.
Good Luck Carla |
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LOSTONE
Starting member
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2004 : 19:01:28
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Well it has been a while since my last post here. I so far have not had any success in finding living relatives in Norway. If I could speak/read Norwegian it sure would help.
If there are any other suggestions I would appreciate it.
The information that Carla found seems to be correct.
Thanks a million to all of you.
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askeroi
Senior member
Norway
299 Posts |
Posted - 14/08/2004 : 09:00:47
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Not speaking/reading Norwegian seems allmost to be an advantage at Digitalarkivet's debate forums.
A question for "Dagmar married Olsen dead in Moss 1962 relatives" should wake the many willing helpers there, I think.
Have you tried that?
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kerrie
Junior member
Australia
45 Posts |
Posted - 14/08/2004 : 13:11:38
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I have some contact in the Moss Family History Society and if you write to Tor Vinje and tell him of your Firefighter I am more than sure he would be extremely interested in your family Tor is the president of the Moss Family Histoy Society. I also have some resources here in Australia for Moss as my ancestors also came from Moss. Tor probably would post your information in the Moss Family History Magazine. He will do what he can to help you. You can contact him in English there is no problems with that. Have you checked the Chicago Tribune for Obituaries of your uncles? Some of my ancestors from Moss went to Chicago as well. Have you checked Ellis Island for your father arrival in America was he also born in Moss? If you find out as much as you can from America it will make it easier to find family in Norway. |
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