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jkmarler
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 Posted - 15/02/2016 : 02:16:13
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The records from Vallset are a bit spotty. Here is a confirmation record for a John Mikkelson b 1835 in Romedal #13:
Source information: Hedmark county, Romedal, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1847-1861), Confirmation records 1851, page 132.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8850&idx_id=8850&uid=ny&idx_side=-139
Working too many questions at once today. My mistake, it was Anders Mikkelson #13
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oldtime54
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 03:20:18
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| Thank you jkmarler. I don't see it but will keep looking at it. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 11:48:26
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I've gone through each of the four parishes Kåre outlined on page 4 for 1835 -1836 baptisms or confirmations 1849-51 and found only this Johannes living on Danmark, #12
Source information: Rogaland county, Sjernarøy in Nedstrand, Parish register (official) nr. A 7 (1816-1870), Confirmation records 1850, page 276.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1635&idx_id=1635&uid=ny&idx_side=-280
Neither he nor his father are Mikkelsons.
It would probably good for others to look over these records as well.
"There were 24 farms named Danmark (Denmark) in the 1865 census for Norway in following municipalities;
- Nes/Næs, Hedmark county
- Spydeberg, Østfold county
- Hedrum, Vestfold county
- Nærstrand, Rogaland county"
These are the parishes with a Danmark named farm which might be the clue but I found no Johannes Mikkelson in either available baptism records or if they were lacking in the confirmation records.
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oldtime54
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 17:01:20
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| I don't see the name Mikkelson either jkmarler? Maybe I'm just blind??lol |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 18:15:17
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
The records from Vallset are a bit spotty. Here is a confirmation record for a John Mikkelson b 1835 in Romedal #13:
Source information: Hedmark county, Romedal, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1847-1861), Confirmation records 1851, page 132.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8850&idx_id=8850&uid=ny&idx_side=-139
Working too many questions at once today. My mistake, it was Anders Mikkelson #13
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/02/2016 : 18:17:50
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Originally posted by lyndal40
You can use the NHDC web site to search the various census records for Norway. Using the advanced search page you can put in Johan Mikkelsen born 1834 to 1836 for the 1865 Census. You bring up four names. The first two are married with several children so less likely as candidates. The third is Johan Mikklesen of Vallsett profiled on the bottom of page 3.
The fourth is from Vestre Eiker, Buskerud, here is a link to his census record.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0624&kenr=020&bnr=0089&lnr=000
The only trouble is the 1865 census was taken on 1 Jan 1866 so any John / Johan/ Johannes Mikkelson found in it cannot be the John Michaelson in Illinois since he is getting married in Illinois in 1865!
Copied from the Illinois state secretary of state marriage database:
MIKELSON, JOHN LAUYER, SARAH JANE 1865-09-16 00001499 SANGAMON |
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oldtime54
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 03:31:46
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This is from familysearch.org concerning the 1865 Illinois census.
Name index and images of the Illinois state census taken on 3 July 1865. The following counties are missing: Gallatin, Mason, Monroe and part of Tazewell.
They were married in September and if you see the opriginal certificate, the spelling is LAWYER. It was just tyranscribed wrong |
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oldtime54
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 03:37:18
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| sorry "original". If the census was taken in July and they were married in September then they had a short engagement. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 04:45:03
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Originally posted by oldtime54
sorry "original". If the census was taken in July and they were married in September then they had a short engagement.
For clarity, I meant the Norwegian 1865 census was actually taken on 1 Jan 1866, that's why it's exceedingly unlikely John made it home for the count since he got married in Illinois in September 1865.
The Illinois state census of 1865 was a heads of household only to be named, any others in the household are numeric quantity counted by sex. |
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oldtime54
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Posted - 16/02/2016 : 18:18:21
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| Now I understand jkmarler!!!! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/02/2016 : 12:25:19
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Here are the Jo* Mi* born in the 1830s found in the indexed church records at the digitalarkivet:
Baptisms:
Jon Michelsen* 25.01.1834 Gran* 18.05.1834 barn Ministerialbok for Inderøy prestegjeld, Sakshaug sokn 1830-1839 (1729P)
Johan Petter Michelsen*?? Jacobsen*?? 27.03.1839 Kiertnæs* 19.05.1839 barn Ministerialbok for Inderøy prestegjeld, Sakshaug sokn 1830-1839 (1729P)
Johannes Michelsen 01.09.1838 12.38.1839 barn Ministerialbok for Vang prestegjeld 1826-1841 (0414Q)
Confirmations:
Johannes Mikkelsen 1831* Fossemark Fossemark 05.07.1846 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Hamre prestegjeld 1846-1857 (1254P)
Carl Johan Mikelsen 24.11.1834 Hurdalen 07.10.1849 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Hurdal prestegjeld, Hurdal sokn 1846-1859 (0239P)
Johannes Mikelsen 1831* Wiig 17.10.1847 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Manger prestegjeld 1849-1859 (1261P)
Ole Johan Michelsen 1834* Haaland 04.11.1849 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Manger prestegjeld 1849-1859 (1261P)
Johannes Mikkelsen 1837* Dahle 17.10.1852 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Manger prestegjeld 1849-1859 (1261P)
John Mikkels Helgunset 1830* Helgunset 19.10.1845 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Surnadal prestegjeld 1843-1851 (1566P)
John Mikkels Øyen 1831* Øyen 04.10.1846 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Surnadal prestegjeld 1843-1851 (1566P)
John Mikkelsen Kirkholt 1833* Grønlie 15.10.1848 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Surnadal prestegjeld 1843-1851 (1566P)
Johans Mikkelsen Halgunset 20.12.1836 Halgunset 12.10.1851 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Surnadal prestegjeld 1843-1851 (1566P)
JOHANNES MIKKELSEN 1836 MALTERUD TOSAAS 10.50.1850 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Vestre Toten prestegjeld 1850-1855 (0529P)
Johannes Mikelsen 10.05.1839 Gudbrandsrudeie Gudbrandsrudeie 01.10.1854 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Ringsaker prestegjeld 1850-1860 (0412P)
Utflytte / Moving from parish records:
Johan Jacobsen Michelsen 05.12.1830 , Hurdal 1844 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Hurdal prestegjeld 1828-1845 (0239P)
Johan Mikkelsen 1837* Gift mann Ringnæs 1869 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Løten prestegjeld 1860-1877 (0415P)
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From the baptism list above:
Johannes Mikkelsen 07.12.1835 11.09.1836 barn Ministerialbok for Stange prestegjeld 1835-1845 (0417P)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000009365323
From the confirmations above:
Johannes Michels 07.12.1835 HestnæsEie Langsæt 06.10.1850 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Stange prestegjeld 1846-1852 (0417P)\
Leaving Stange for Christiania #44 right hand page
Source information: Hedmark county, Stange, Parish register (official) nr. 12 (1852-1862), Migration records 1856-1860, page 453.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8860&idx_id=8860&uid=ny&idx_side=-312
There is quite a long paragraph about the young men who left, a more proficient Norwegian language person might have better luck with reading.
I checked the 1865 census and did not find this possible. Perhaps he died but maybe he moved away?
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From the confirmations above:
Jonas Mikkelsen 1836* Møgedal 29.09.1850 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Helleland prestegjeld, Helleland, Bjerkreim sokn 1834-1863 (1115P)
From the moving outs above:
Jonas Mikkelsen Møgedal 1835* Ungk. 30.04.1859 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Helleland prestegjeld, Helleland, Bjerkreim sokn 1834-1863 (1115P)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/uf/person/pu00000000088307
He was moving to Sarpsborg.
Apparently came back to Helleland, he's there in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038200001611
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From confirmations above:
Johan Mikkelsen 05.03.1835 Stenbergeie Stenbergeie 21.04.1850 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Eiker prestegjeld 1846-1854 (0624P)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038091011282
Here is he in the 1865 census, married and a father.
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Johan Mikkelsen 05.03.1835 Stenbergeie Enkemann Fabr.arb. Stenbergeie brudgom Ministerialbok for Eiker prestegjeld 1869-1877 (0624P) As a widower in 1877 marrying again tends to eliminate him
A possible for Johan Mikkelsen in 1900 Norwegian census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037120003037
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From confirmation records above:
Johan Schønning Middelthon 30.03.1835. Molde 26.10.1851 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Molde prestegjeld 1843-1872 (1502P)
In 1885 Norwegian census married with three children:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053272002727
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From the movings outs list, not likely due to dates of move:
John Mikkelsen Bratset 1838-602 Ungk. 27.05.1870 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Rennebu prestegjeld 1861-1879 (1635P)
Johannes Mikkelsen 1836* Kindeeie, Brøtt. 1873 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Ringsaker prestegjeld 1870-1878 (0412P)
Johan Peersen Middagsfjeld 1839* Lap 1875 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Snåsa prestegjeld, Lierne, Nordli, Sørli sokn 1865-1881 (1736P)
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Johan Michelson Nissen #103
Source information: Telemark county, Gjerpen, Parish register (official) nr. 7A (1834-1857), Birth and baptism records 1835, page 9.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7796&idx_id=7796&uid=ny&idx_side=-12
While this Johan is in the Vaccination records of Gjerpen in 1837, I did not find him in the confirmations circa 1850. His older brother Nis is in the confirmations right at where expected so it's likely Johan may have died.
Indeed he did die, #18 3 1/2 year Johan:
Source information: Telemark county, Gjerpen, Parish register (official) nr. 7B (1834-1857), Death and burial records 1839, page 313.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7797&idx_id=7797&uid=ny&idx_side=-66
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Johan Martin Michaelsen 22.03.1834 06.04.1834 barn Ministerialbok for Kråkstad prestegjeld 1825-1837 (0212P)
Moving from Kraakstad #9, 10, 11 right hand page:
Source information: Akershus county, Kråkstad, Parish register (official) nr. I 5 (1837-1847), Migration records 1840, page 187.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=523&idx_id=523&uid=ny&idx_side=-134
Moving into Aas, 1840 #6,7,8:
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Ås, Klokkerbok nr. I 3 (1836-1843), Innflyttede 1837-1842, side 439-440.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7551&idx_id=7551&uid=ny&idx_side=-53
Confirmed in Aas #20
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Ås, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1841-1853), Konfirmerte 1849, side 238-239.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5748&idx_id=5748&uid=ny&idx_side=-121
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From the out migrants above
Johan Martin Michalsen 1831 01.03.1859 utflyttar Ministerialbok for Moss prestegjeld 1852-1869 (0104Q)
Johan Martin born in Vestbye in 1865 census married & father of two:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037982001072
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From the confirmations above
Johan Christian August Michaelsen 13.08.1837 Oslo 18.04.1852 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Oslo Hospitals menghet 1850-1857
In the 1865 census seafaring still living with parents in Kristiania:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038027045263
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From the confirmations:
Johannes Mikkelsen 06.04.1836 Øvre Kindeeje Nordbrugsejet 28.09.1851 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Ringsaker prestegjeld 1850-1860 (0412P
He was not found in the 1865 census as Jo* Mi* b Ring* 183*. Checking the out migrating records found a couple of only slightly possibles, mostly with much later birthdates:
#95 Source information: Hedmark county, Ringsaker, Parish register (official) nr. 9 (1850-1860), Migration records 1858, page 463.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8843&idx_id=8843&uid=ny&idx_side=-420
And this whole family headed by Johannes Mikkelsen age 46 #100 including a son Johannes b 1841 and son Johan b 1857 headed to America in 1859:
Source information: Hedmark county, Ringsaker, Parish register (official) nr. 9 (1850-1860), Migration records 1859, page 467.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8843&idx_id=8843&uid=ny&idx_side=-424
Here is a transcription of the marriage of one of children of #100 above, so the family or individual was in Wisconsin by 1866:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRPF-446
And a daughter's marriage in Lacrosse Wisconsin 1869:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRGN-8XV
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 09:26:55
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John M Michaelson's funeral was handled by W.T. Vancil Funeral Home in Springfield. Funeral homes sometimes maintain their old records and contain extra details. Apparently this firm is the survivor of W.T. Vancil:
http://www.vancilmurphy.com/
O.P, or Debbi, did you turn up the records concerning John Michaelson Sr's property in Sangamon County? |
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oldtime54
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 05:41:08
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| Thank you for all this hard work jkmarler!! I have had and still have computer problems. I will look right now at the land records that I found at the Family History library here. I 'm sure they are online., too. |
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oldtime54
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 07:11:25
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Sellers Mary ? Embree and ? S Embree to John Michaelson on September 1, 1866 - 3 acres
John Michaelson and wife Sarah J. Michaelson to William P. McMullen March 5, 1868 - land now described as 7 acres..
Robert McNeill to John Michalson land in Mechanicsburg on May 2, 1874
Divorce May 20, 1878
John Michaelson bought the same piece of land in Mechanicsburg from the Master in Chancery at the public auction going to the highest bidder at the south door of the courthouse September 6, 1879 |
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oldtime54
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 07:15:15
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| Mechanicsburg is in Sangamon county, Illinois |
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