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bloken
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 Posted - 26/10/2004 : 18:47:12
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I have recently started to look back at my families past, and thought I would post my infromation to see if anyone could potentially give me more info.
My great Grandfather, Lars Loken, came to Canada in 1907 via Ellis Island, and I was able to lookup the information on the Ship Manifests, and found the complete family.
Lars Loken
Marie Loken
Hjalmar Loken
Lorentz Loken
Rolf Loken, My grandfather
Torolf Loken.
Based on the information from the manifest I was also able to lookup Lars, Marie and Hjalmar in Sarpsborg, Norway using the 1900 Census information. But here they were know as Hansen. All the dates matchup, and the occupation of my Lars also matches, up. The name change is not surprising, as many did change there names, but also there is a mistery to the name change.
It turns out that my Great Grandfather dicided to cut out his familiy from the piture entirely. It has always been common knowlegde in my familiy that whenever one would ask questions about my Great Grandfathers family he would not say anything. Thus I have a mystery of Why and What happened.
Based on the 1900 Census, I know that Lars Hansen was born in the Hadeland, Krs. This is an area north of Oslo, as I found out from a Hadeland society in the USA. So I search once again the the province of Oppland for Lars Hansen using the 1875 Census data. Lars would have been 1 year old. And I thing I have Success....
I found in the town of Sel, a familiy that has a Lars Hansen born in that same year as detailed in the 1900 Census. So I stumble of a family of 6.
Hans Olsen 1825
Ymbjør Larsdatter 1833
Ole Hansen 1861
Kari Hansdatter 1864
Hans Hansen 1871
Lars Hansen 1874 My great Grandfather
If anyone had information that could be useful, I would appreciate an Email....
Bernard Loken
Bernard@NOSPAMLoken.net
Please remove the NOSPAM to email properly
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Hopkins
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Tore
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Posted - 26/10/2004 : 22:01:23
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| Sel is very far away from Hadeland. In 1875 Hadeland was only Jevnaker and Gran. If you grandfather was born in 1874 he might also be the Lars Hansen from Myra farm in Gran. The Gran census of 1875 you will not find in Digitalarkivet but here: http://www.slektshistorielaget.no/kilder/gran/databaser2/1875Gran/ |
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Tore
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/10/2004 : 23:46:22
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Cannot locate them on the Ellis Island (Port of New York) database under Loken or ship Montebello. Can you provide a link?
The Oslo database indicates their final destination is Boston. |
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bloken
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bloken
New on board
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Posted - 27/10/2004 : 05:02:17
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I found the information you gave me. And I must say thanks.. Another lead for me. More than likely more promising. How would I find the whole family. Not being verse in Norwegian.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Tore
Sel is very far away from Hadeland. In 1875 Hadeland was only Jevnaker and Gran. If you grandfather was born in 1874 he might also be the Lars Hansen from Myra farm in Gran. The Gran census of 1875 you will not find in Digitalarkivet but here: http://www.slektshistorielaget.no/kilder/gran/databaser2/1875Gran/
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/10/2004 : 06:41:37
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Viewing the actual manuscript isn't available on the Ellis Island site but if you go here Click Here Click on Ship Lists and on the page that comes up put August 1907 and August 1907 in the Arrived between field and type Ced in the Ship name field.
Click on Cedric on the next page
When the next page comes up wait for it to load you should see the image of a passenger list in the top part of the page.
In the Frame box, enter 844 and click the display button and the image of the page Lars is on (line 20) will display
Click on the -1 (under frame) and the page with his destination will display.
He was going to his father in law. Gunnerus Olsen in Berlin New Hampshire.
Lars Loken is in the 1910 census in Berlin Coos County New Hampshire with the addition of a daughter Randy, 6 months old.
I haven't found them in the 1920 census.
If you want a copy of the census email me (click on the envelope icon at the top of this post).
Carla |
Edited by - Brining on 27/10/2004 20:11:37 |
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Posted - 27/10/2004 : 07:25:47
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Sorry, Brining, but I could not make the link work. Anyway, Bernard, have you viewed a copy of the actual manifest?
Boston was just a hop and skip away from New York, their ship may have just stopped in New York first and then they got off in Boston. This was a very common occurrence. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/10/2004 : 20:13:24
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It should work now. Needed a space before the link
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Tore
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Posted - 27/10/2004 : 22:31:14
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Here are the person living at Myre Farm in Gran in 1875. It is a little confusing since Hans Larsen seems to be the father of Lars Hansen, while the other persons metioned as "son" Martin Iversen seems to be son of a man named Iver and probably Berte Mikkelsdatter. I also looked at the 1900 census for the same farm and Anne Andersdtr is the only name I could see be living at this place 25 years later. I also checked the church records for Gran but could not find any bapisting of any Lars Hansen in 1872-76 which had a father named Hans. According to the emigrant protocol Lars Hansen Loken was born 14. May 1873 but all such old records with exception of the date of bapstisting is not always to trust. I think that your Lars might as well be the Lars Hansen from Jevnaker as the Lars Hansen from Gran. Unfortunately the church records from Jevnaker can't be found at the web.
6598 Hans Larsen Married Farmer. owner of farm b.1852 Gran
6599 Berte Mikkelsdtr Married b. 1848 Gran
6600 Martin Iversen son b. 1872 Gran
6601 Lars Hansen son b. 1874 Gran
6602 Randi Pedersdtr unmarried Servant b. 1855 Jevnaker
6603 Mallene Olsdtr Widow ,mother in law b. 1818 Jevnaker
6604 Ole Mikkelsen son Unmarried b. 1849 Jevnaker
6605 Anne Andersdtr sønn Unmarried b.1853 Jevnaker
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Mona
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Posted - 29/10/2004 : 11:00:13
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Hi
I am from Norway, and I have also recently started to look back at my family past. I have family from Hadeland, they are called Grymyr. Maybe we have a connection here, I am not sure. My great grandfathers name was Hans Grymyr and he was born in 1901, and I know that his fathers name was Ole H. Grymyr and hes mothers name was Oline Grymyr, borned Lomsdalen. I dont know any futher back yet, but maybe there is a connection here. Maybe someone could help us??
Ole H. Grymyr is supposed to be borned in 1875 and died in 1919. Oline Marie Lomsdalen was born 1880 and die in 1955. Nils, Laura, Marhe and Hans is theyr children.
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bloken
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Posted - 26/10/2006 : 05:02:27
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Wow. Thanks folks. You have given me quite a lot to look at...
In digging in the information given to me, I did more searching but using a Birthdate stated in the Emmigrant from Oslo information of 1873 for Lars Hansen. and I found a Lars Hansen that In the 1875 Census.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=63&filnamn=f70532&gardpostnr=170
Hellene Rebekka Larsdatter (Household Mother)
Karen Pauline Hansdatter ( daughter )
Anne Marie Hansdatter (daughter)
Lise Mathea Hansdatter (daughter)
Lars Hansen (son)
This Lars Hansen is born the right year, and it fits with the history that My great grandfather had only older sisters.
Knowing this information I then looked at the Census of 1865, and found what could be my Great-Great Gandfather. Here I find the same family, minus Lars Hansen, but there is a father.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=73&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=579&personpostnr=3632&merk=3632#ovre
Hans Paulsen
Helene Larsdatter (Household Mother)
Karen Hansdatter ( daughter )
Anne Hansdatter (daughter)
Lise Hansdatter (daughter)
It would seem that I have found a good Lead here. Now I see that I will have to keep digging, as I am looking for some lineage that could potentially verify this information. Seeing as I can really lookup Lars Hansen, I looked into the potential for the three sisters. They may have all married and yet I do know that Lars Hansen stayed with the sisteres, and may have been ill treated at one or more times (word of mouth history) which is why he left Norway and his family..
So based on the names of the daugthers, the year of birth and place of Birth, I found potentially several matches
Karen
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0218&kenr=008&bnr=0042&lnr=00
Anne
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0613&kenr=009&bnr=0042&lnr=00
Lise
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0532&kenr=001&bnr=0034&lnr=00
I will continue looking at this, But any extra help especially if anyone is from those lineage or can confirm any of this, I would greatly Appreciate.
Thanks.
Bernard Loken, ( mayby, I should change to Hansen)
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Edited by - bloken on 26/10/2006 05:30:25 |
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Hopkins
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