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Kåarto
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 Posted - 29/04/2013 : 19:14:19
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A good candidate from Tretten in Øyer if he was married;
Johannes Olsen on farm Kleven in Øyer married to Anne Jørgensdatter and a son Ole age 19 in 1865, link
I`ll lok into your link.
1819 I have a Johannes Olsen born Feb. 26. 1819 out of wedloc to Anne Johannesdatter Gløme? and Ole Olsen Gløme Ødegaard, rh left page more than half down, line 19-24 from top here
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/04/2013 00:20:10 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/04/2013 : 23:33:14
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Johannes Olsen on Kleven 1865 married Anne Jørgensdatter Bjerke Dec. 28. 1846 #29
Anne Eriksdatter (Glømmen) born on Bjerke, age 6 in the 1801 cenus on page 3.
Just a thought.
Below her on Bjerke on another sub farm is Jørgen Gulbrandsen age 13. Perhaps he was the father to Johannes wife Anne Jørgensdatter.
He was:
Anne Jørgensdatter born July 1818 on Bjerke, parents; Jørgen and Ambjør Bjerke (1784-1824 page 450).
She was ca one year older than Johannes in the 1865 census, born ca 1818-19 for Johannes Olsen Kleven.
The closest I can get is Johannes Olsen born out of wedloc to Ole Olsen Ødegaard and Anne Johannesdatter mentioned above.
I believe Ødegaard was sub farm nr 3. under Glømmen.
Question; was Ole Olsen Glømmen the same person as Ole Olsen Ødegaard in 1819.
Ødegaard was used on farms that was abandoned under the black plague 1349-50 where ca 50% of the population died.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 09:39:19
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This next information tells that Jørgen and Ambjør Bjerke was Jørgen Gulbrandsen and Ambjør Samuelsdatter.
At least we have a photo of Bjerke where Anne Eriksdatter was born 1801 and confirms that Ødegaard was the same as Glømmen-Ødegaard (a sub farm under Glømmen) link
Still lacks the final evidence of who Johannes Olsens Klevens parents were.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/04/2013 09:44:04 |
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jkmarler
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petertorgerson
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 18:26:04
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Kaarto and Marler--I'm not clear on the relationship between Anne Eriksdatter and Anne Johannesdatter, if there is any. Kaarto's post on 4/29 at 23:33:14 lists Anne Eriksdatter as being 6 yrs old in the 1801 census and the 4/30 post at 09:39:19 lists her as being born on 1801?
Erik Olsen Klevmoen's parents are Ole Olsen and Anne Eriksdatter and
Olea Olsdatter's parents are Ole Olsen and Anne Eriksdatter and Johannes Olsen's parents are Ole Olsen and Anne Johannesdatter. I believe that when Johannes was confirmed his parents names are given as Ole and Anne Klave/Kleve from Glommen. Erik is also listed as being on Kleve. Olea is listed as being born on Glommen. What is Klave/Kleve?
Could Erik,Olea,and Johannes have the same father, but Johannes has
a different mother? Anne Eriksdatter is also born on Glommen! Our records here claim that Johannes and Anne Jorgensdatter only had one child named Ole J. Kleven who is said to be born on August 19,1848 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 18:28:13
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Great finding Jackie 
That was the final evidence.
Johannes born out of wedloc on Glømmen Feb. 26. 1819 to Anne Johanesdatter and Ole Olsen Ødegaard under Gløme.
Both parents worked on Gløme and "Begge i første leiermaal" For both it was the first child born out of wedloc"
He lived on Kleve when he was confirmated, probably with his mother.
Question; Was Erik Olsen Klevmoen born on Kleve Nov. 10. 1832 and Johannes Olsen Kleve born on Glømmen Feb. 26. 1819 half brothers?
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/04/2013 18:40:41 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 18:48:56
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Originally posted by petertorgerson
Kaarto and Marler--I'm not clear on the relationship between Anne Eriksdatter and Anne Johannesdatter, if there is any. Kaarto's post on 4/29 at 23:33:14 lists Anne Eriksdatter as being 6 yrs old in the 1801 census and the 4/30 post at 09:39:19 lists her as being born on 1801?
My fault, sorry,  Anne Erikdatter was 6 years old in 1801.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 19:11:56
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Anne Eriksdatter born on Bjerke Oct. 21. 1795.
Parents Erich (Johansen) and Marthe (Larsdatter) Bjerke
L page last bap. right column here
Bap. Dominica 21 p. Trinit (Sunday Oct. 25) I (In)Øyer
Item (same day as above) Erich og Marthe Bjerkes født: 21de Oct: b:(barn-child) Anne.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 22:01:15
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quote:
Originally posted by petertorgerson
Erik Olsen Klevmoen's parents are Ole Olsen and Anne Eriksdatter and
Olea Olsdatter's parents are Ole Olsen and Anne Eriksdatter and Johannes Olsen's parents are Ole Olsen and Anne Johannesdatter. I believe that when Johannes was confirmed his parents names are given as Ole and Anne Klave/Kleve from Glommen. Erik is also listed as being on Kleve. Olea is listed as being born on Glommen. What is Klave/Kleve?
Could Erik,Olea,and Johannes have the same father, but Johannes has
a different mother? Anne Eriksdatter is also born on Glommen! Our records here claim that Johannes and Anne Jorgensdatter only had one child named Ole J. Kleven who is said to be born on August 19,1848
Entirely possible that it is the same Ole Olsen who is the father of each of the children. Illegitimate children are many in Norway. But Ole Olsen is the most common name in Norway. It might be hard to sort the relationship out. Klæve / Klev /Kleven is a farm. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/04/2013 : 23:12:44
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Ole and Olsen was the most common name in Norway. The same goes for Anne Olsdatter
In the 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantryregiment, called the Norwegian Regiment, of 906 soldiers there were 128 with firstname Ole and ab.the same numbers of Olsen.
To avoid misunderstandings private Olsens started to supplement with the names of the farms they came from in Norway.
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petertorgerson
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Posted - 05/05/2013 : 14:40:03
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| Kaarto-I am now looking for info on my grandmother who married the son of Ole and Olea Pedersen. Her maiden name was Thora Brack and she was born in Norway Sept 29,1875. She used to tell me she was from Gudsbrandsdalen area. She came to the U.S. on October 24,1894 on the ship Majestic from Liverpool. Her father's name was Iver T. Brack and her mother was Anne Hansen Brack. Iver was born around 1833 and Anne was born around 1835. They came to the U.S. in around 1909. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/05/2013 : 16:13:40
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A good candidate, Iver Thoresen Bræk and Anne Olsen and not Hansen on Bræk in Skjåk
Ole S Bræk in the 1900 census was Ivers son Ole Iversen Bræk.
Ole I. Bræk and his wife Else Bræk em. 1909 via Oslo to their children in Wisconsin, link
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/05/2013 : 16:34:48
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This is the right family.
Thorø (Thora) born Sept. 29. bap. in Nordberg subparish Oct. 19. 1875 to Iver Thoresen born 1833 Bræk and Anne Olsdatter born 1836. The parents married 1854.
Fadder is Godparents, click here
From the church book, Thorø is #13
Nordberg church, info in Norwegian includes several photos
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Edited by - Kåarto on 05/05/2013 17:32:36 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/05/2013 : 18:39:11
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Thora Bræk had 4 brothers born before 1865 link
Ole age 11 born Oct. 3.1855 is the one that em. with his wife Else to their children in Wisc. 1909.
Oles b.record corespond with the em. record from Oslo, born Oct. 3. 1855 #81
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petertorgerson
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Posted - 05/05/2013 : 18:45:51
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| Kaarto_Thanks, I found the births and marriage of Iver Thoresen Braek and Anne Olsdatter, but I am having difficulty reading their parents names, etc. Iver appears to have been born on Sept 29,1833 and Anne was born on October 31, 1836. Can you tell me how to find their parents? Anne's father under her birth record looks like Ole Amundsen and not Ole Olsen and her mother is Anne Pedersdatter. Under Iver's birth his father's name looks like Thore Thoresen Slette? and his mother as Ronnaug Iversdatter. I would like to find the birth, death, and marriage dates of Iver and Anne's parents. |
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