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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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 Posted - 30/01/2005 : 01:28:47
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Looking for someone to help me find my GG Grandfather's family in Norway or Minnesota.
Samuel S Lee born May 4,1868 Norway--not sure where
(poss born 1858 according to one U.S. Census-but I think it's an error)
Came to the U.S. in June of 1878 arriving in New York.
1878-1894 Unknown where he lived. Cannot find him on any Census, but maybe his name wasn't "Lee"??
1894 Married Olava Thompson (Gulickson) Ashby, MN
1907-1910 Lived White Earth, North Dakota
1910 moved to Saskatchewan Canada
1926 Moved to Alberta, Canada
I thought that the middle initial "S" might be the start of his last name as I am told that Lee is likely a farm name "Lie".
If anyone is able to help I would appreciate any suggestions. I have a lot more info on his children if needed.
Thanks
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brenda
New on board
USA
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Posted - 30/01/2005 : 09:57:50
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My Lee family emigrated from Norway ca. 1854. They were from a Lie farm near Voss, Hordaland. A cousin visited Voss and found the names of the family in the parish records - considerably different from their "American" names. They eventually settled in Nebraska. My great grandfather Louis was born in Wisconsin, and died in Los Angeles.
Steffen Brynildsen Lie became Stephen B. Lee
Eli Nielsdotter became Ellen Lee
Children:
Bruns Steffensen Lie became Brunson and sometimes Bronson Lee
Nels stayed about the same
Knute became Canute.
The Middle initial S. in your Samuel's name might be his father's name + son or sen. (Steffen's father was Brynild, his son had the "middle" name Steffensen)
Hope this helps. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2005 : 06:08:37
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Hi Have you gotten copies of his death certificate or obituary, they might have information on his parents. Also his marriage record or maybe a listing of his marriage in the paper. The Rootsweb site for Grant county has a link to the county historical society Click Here you could try contacting them.
I noticed that there was also a Ole S Lee in the 1900 census for Grant county, could there be a connection?
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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 31/01/2005 : 16:29:54
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| Hi Carla; Yes I have contacted Grant County Historical Society. However, I haven't been able to get much information there either. I suspect that Ole S Lee is a brother to Sam as he shows in North Dakota in the 1910 Census as does Sam. He seemed to move with him at the same times. The obituaries I have list absolutely none of his family other than his children. I seem to keep hitting a brick wall! I think it will all fall in to place when I discover the meaning of the middle initial "S" in his name. I am now trying to find info on Ole S Lee assuming he's a brother, maybe his full name will show somewhere and I can go from there. Thanks for the advice! |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/01/2005 : 18:23:18
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What exact date did he arrive in New York, name of ship, name he used, originating port, who was he traveling with? Do you have the actual passenger list? I could not find him on any databases. With this information, one has a chance of finding him on Norwegian emigration databases. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/01/2005 : 20:09:27
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Minnesota birth certificates index online shows Leona Lee born in Grant County 1901 - mother's maiden name listed as Thompson. Have you ordered that birth certificate?
At least two or three other birth certificates from Grant County for children with last name Lee between 1900 and 1907 - I think I'd order all of those of possible interest with mother's maiden name anything like Thompson or Guliksen...
http://people.mnhs.org/bci/
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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 01/02/2005 : 18:56:34
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I have already checked out the birth's of Sam's children (one of which is Leona.) There is no information on who Sam's parents are. I have been able to get almost all the information on his wife Olava however.
Their marriage certificate does not mentions his parents either---only his wife's.
I did however obtain his naturalization papers which only indicate that he arrived in New York in June of 1878. I did find a death certificate for a Halvor Samuelson Lee in the same area. I'm wondering if the mysterious "S" is for Samuelson. I have no way to confirm this information though. Could anyone tell me if there is a way to check Norway's immigration index for a certain month of departure with a birth date, farm name and first name? I am not really familiar with those databases. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2005 : 19:37:43
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The birth index also listed children born in Grant County for that limited time period who had mother's maiden name = Thompson and their own surname listed as Samuelson! Did you look at those too?
Halvor Samuelson Lee was found where? When did he die? Where? How old was he? where was he born? did you have an emigration year for him too?
The emigration registers at the Digitalarkivet website for Norway include separate databases for about 17 different ports of departure... you had a clue which one to start with? This is one reason we keep asking all these questions - trying to narrow down the possibilities for searching... |
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Diana
New on board
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2005 : 06:22:16
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go www.google.
type Olava Thompson+Ashby,Minnesota
It gives you her family history
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Diana Erickson |
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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2005 : 16:27:04
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Thanks Diana... I have already located Olava's history.What I now struggle with is her husband...Sam Lie. I have confirmed through Sam's marriage that one of the witnesses was Chas (Charles?) Lie. Charles also appears in a few newspaper clippings assocated with Sam(their relationship not indicatetd). I have also found Charles(b.1847), Halvor (b. 1851)& Ole (b. 1854)(Brothers) and their mother Ellen(b.1817) on the 1880 census. Halvor's year of immigration varies on every census 1870, 1871, 1862. As does Ole's, which makes me wonder if Sam's year of emmigration is incorrect as well. What is the most accurate way to determine their date of arrival to the U.S when the Census info seems to vary so much? At least now I have a few more names to research. Although I don't know yet how Sam is related to them. I appreciate everyone's advice though....it has given me some new ideas.
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dvinge
New on board
Canada
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Posted - 04/02/2005 : 01:15:08
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Hi,
There is a farm name (Gardsnavn) "Li" (or Lie) in the area of Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway. When I have a chance I will look up in the parish record for the possible baptism of Samuel S. Lee. I will print out your post and look it up. If you have any other info that you can put in a quick post that might help me, that would be appreciated, if known.
i.e. S stands for?
When did he leave Norway? Sorry, you have that one. Have you found him on the Emigrantprotokoller at Digitalarkivet?
Gullickson is a common name from Sigdal (but also from other villages - maybe wife was from same area)
Samuel was not a common name from what I remember in the Sigdal parish records. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2005 : 16:06:25
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Hi You could try finding him in the passenger arrival records for New York. Since you have a year and month from the naturalization papers, that should help narrow the search (if Sam had an accurate memory  ) The LDS and NARA have the records on film Click Here for an article that will give you links and more information.
Another possibility in the 1880 census, there is a Samuel Samuelson the correct age click here living with Ole Samuelson. He could have taken on the Lie/Lee name later.
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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 15:22:52
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| Thank you so much everyone for the suggestions. I will check them out. David.....I unfortunately do not have any other information to offer you...however I can tell you that Olava's family history has been discovered (for the most part). Her mother Gunhild was born at Kleivstaul in Norway and came to America in 1867 and was married to Thomas Gulickson. (Children used Thompson as last name). Her family history is available back to Knut Olavson Overland Mevastaul born in Telemark 1785. I don't know if this helps at all, but I appreciate your assistance. |
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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 13/02/2005 : 19:10:06
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| I have received some information from a family member that suggested the "Lee" name was changed from Lisland or Leesland. They weren't sure of the spelling. Is anyone familiar with either of these names. I'm trying to determine what the correct spelling could have been. Would this be a farm name as well? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2005 : 04:47:43
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Using the 1865 Norwegian census database - I found 137 farms with name spellings of Lisland and Lysland -- in Oppland, Telemark and Aust-Agder. Those might "sound right".
Grab all those other family members by the feet and shake them upside down... they might have other information hidden in pockets. (Forgive me - I live in an area where such colorful phrases are an integral part of our 'American' language and local dialect -- ya'll.) |
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trodland
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 15/02/2005 : 16:19:57
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| Thanks for the advice! The family member that happened to remember the information on the last name also remembered that they may also have Sam Lee's birth certificate from Norway somewhere in their "papers". In addition, they may have other helpful information. However, I am told that they are quite busy and when they have time will forward this information to me. So for now I guess I am waiting ever so "patiently" for this rather important- yet forgotten information to get to me. I am certain that I will be able to get the "pieces" to the puzzle that I need to begin researching my ancestors into Norway. I am also certain that I will be calling upon everyone once again for assistance at that time. Trust me...if this person lived a little closer I would be shaking them upside down right now! But since that's not possible...for now, I'm just shaking my head. |
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Samuel S Lee or Lie Family
