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maryemcfadden
Starting member
USA
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 Posted - 28/05/2005 : 15:09:12
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Thanks to the fantastic help I received with my earlier inquiries I have since been able to find a GREAT DEAL of information on the John Lake family who first settled in Wisconsin.
What I have not had luck with is finding when/where/and on what ship they departed from in Norway. The 1865 Norwegian census shows Jens C. Leich, his wife Kari and their children, Oline, Carl, Julius, Hendrik and Maurits. they lived in Gjovik at that time.
I searched every passenger list on this site from 1865 to 1870 BEFORE I found naturalization papers for Jens C Leich (John Lake), when he first applied November 4, 1867 in Wisc. to be naturalized.
I understand there are utflyttende (moving out) records but, despite reading the various research articles, I do not know how to access them.
I would greatly appreciate help. Thank you! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/05/2005 : 16:37:20
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Hi,
first of all, the most common port of emigration for people from the Gjøvik area would be Oslo. A second (but much less used) option would be Bergen. Gjøvik is just west of Hamar.
The capital Oslo have changed name several times.
Originally Óslo from 1350.
Changed to Christiania i 1624 (after King Christian 4.).
Changed to Kristiania in 1877.
Changed back to Oslo in 1925.
Some useful links:
Emigrants from Gjøvik city 1846-1915
Emigration from Gjøvik
Slektshistorielaget - click on "Emigrasjon"
"Utvandringen til Amerika" ("The emigration to America"), Author Halvard Oudenstad, 1981, ISBN 82-90323-03-4, in Norwegian. The book lists some 8000 emigrants from Gjøvik incl. Vardal, Biri, Snertingdal.
The "Utflyttende" (moving out of the parish) records, was mainly done by the local priest, and can thus be found in the local churchbook for the area they moved from. Some churchbooks are available online, but that's mostly christening, marriage and death records. The "Utflyttende" records can be viewed at a local library or LDS center, because most of them are on microfilms.
The census-1865 shows the people in Norway as per Januray 1st, 1866, so the family must hace left in 1866 or 1867.
//Jan Peter
ps: For the record, here is Jens Leich in census-1865 |
Edited by - jwiborg on 28/05/2005 17:05:26 |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
1100 Posts |
Posted - 28/05/2005 : 19:00:04
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Their emigration date has been narrowed down to 1866 or early 1867. I provided a link to the LDS church records in your other posting. Just rent the appropriate year film, scroll down to Utflyttende and they should be listed in the records. Generally, it would be in the spring but there are always exceptions.
After finding their moving out date, rent the appropriate Canadian passenger list, about two months later. The lists, however, are not complete but there is a good chance you can find them. No Canadian passenger lists before 1865. |
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maryemcfadden
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 19:30:39
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This is just a last ditch effort to find the last of the information that I need to complete the entire history of Jens Christian Leich, his wife Karie Olsdtr and their five children.
As suggested, I contacted the LDS.... but unfortuately, after requesting, finally receiving and reviewing films, this time consuming process yielded no information. I also used the links provided by Jan Peter in his very detailed post but I was not able to find anything.
Since my last posting, I have obtained Naturalization papers for two of the sons and both list Christiana as the port of departure and arrival in New York. I know that this family departed after January 1, 1866 and before November 4, 1867, when their father, then known as John C. Lake, applied to be Naturalized in the State of Wisconsin.
Is there a way to determine which ships might have left from Christiania for New York during 1866 - 1867? Is there a governmental agency in Norway that I can write to in an effort to obtain the departure information regarding their date of emigration and the ship.
If I have come to a dead end, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone on this site for their effort on my behalf. Without Norway Heritage.com, I would NEVER have been able to trace this family ... with your help and hour -upon- hour of research, I now have the entire story, complete with supporting documents from both Norway and America, newspaper clippings and best of all photographs! THANK YOU! |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 22:20:55
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If they are not listed in records for leaving Gjovik or from the port of Oslo/Kristiania -- why don't you find them arriving in New York?
http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/passengers.html
I prefer using the inexpensive LDS microfilm copies of such documents - but you appear to have other options available to you. |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 01:37:18
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Question:
Is there a way to determine which ships might have left from Christiania for New York during 1866 - 1867?
Yes, look at the Index of Departures on this site.
You will note that only one ship that sailed directly from Norway to New York in 1866-1867. You can rent that film from LDS.
They may have entered the U.S. through New York but as a secondary arrival on a local boat or train after they originally arrived in Quebec. It does not mean they sailed directly from Norway to New York.
The only government records I know of:
click here
They do not show up in the - www.castlegarden.org - site or on the Ancestry.com site. Your local LDS center will most likely have a subscription to the New York Passenger lists for these years. I do not believe they arrived in this country at the Port of New York.
Jens may have been traveling by his patronymic name or even another farm name that they may have been living at at the time of emigration. |
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