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TLarson
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 Posted - 03/03/2006 : 16:47:56
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I'm trying to find some information about my great-grandfather whose name was John Julseth, actually I believe his name was Johan as that is what the grave marker says by his grave. I know that he was born in 1882 in Brandon, MN and he died in 1953. in the cemetary there are the graves of his parents but they only say mother and father, but no names. My grandma thinks that his mothers name was Berit and that must be correct because I found a death certificate for a Berit Julseth and it says that she died in 1926 and that is what the grave marker says. I don't know what her husbands name was, but I think it could possibly be Torsten, he died sometime in the 1890s. my great-grandfather had at least two brothers Thomas and Ludvig and at least one sister whose name, I believe, was Ellen. I'm trying to figure out when my great-grandfathers parents came from Norway, I believe they were married when they came but am not sure. I don't know for sure what part of Norway they came from either.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 18:27:17
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It is likely you will NOT be able to find information about the "Julseth"s from Norway - without knowing their names, approximate birth years and at least fairly good estimate of WHEN they emigrated.
You'll probably learn much more about the family from other Minnesota records. You probably know what county Brandon Minnesota is located in. Investigate for deaths of other "Julseth" named persons in that Minnesota county. Then send for the death certificate copies - they will probably contain more information than a simple index. Look for local newspaper obituaries at the time(s) of those deaths.
Keep in mind that gravestones, death certificates and obituaries can contain greivous errors in dates and names. After all the person who knew the information the best - is the one who is just deceased. Information on gravestones, death certificates and obituaries is often given by close relatives in grief and possible confusion. Occasionally the information is given by a family member who is less grief stricken than others and being a bit more removed from immediate relationship - also has less accurate knowledge of the details.
Look for the state or county death records, records of the church that the family attended, ALL records (both federal and state), naturalization records, land purchase records, etc. Don't be surprised to find many possible different spellings of the names in various documents, most will probably 'sound alike' or close. Being demanding about spelling seems to be a "modern" thing - it wasn't so important in the past. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 18:43:08
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Yes, you should check and carefully study the information in the 1900 US census enumeration for Brandon township of Douglas Co., Minnesota. A widow with surname Julseth is listed there with three sons and two daughters. The 1900 census tries to collect at least approximate birth month, year and year of immigration to the US.
By 1910 you'll find one of the sons is listed as head of the household and several of the children have left the household - the daughters probably married.
At a minimum aollow the family through all the various census enumerations available - you'll be able to pick up many little pieces of information and hopefully collect a much better amount of information.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 18:52:01
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Torsten Julseth (34), wife Joran Julseth (27) and children Theodore (7), Johan 85) and Maria (3) are listed in the 1880 US-census for Douglas county, Minnesota.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 18:59:16
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Shoemaker Torsten L. Julseth (30) from Nedre Størdalen (Stjørdal, Nord-Trøndelag county) is headed for Brandon Minnesota on 19-May-1881.
Wife Beret Julseth (28) and son Ludvig (10 months) are with him.
Torsten Julseth listed in the US-1880 census above must be a different one.
Torsten Lorntsen (14) on the Juelset farm in Stjørdal in census-1865. Parents are Lornts Larsen (44) & Marta Lorntsdatter (36).
The farmname is nowadays spelled Julset, and is located 10km south of Trondheim Airport Værnes, 40km east of Trondheim.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 03/03/2006 19:20:50 |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 19:32:59
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You got the right ones, Jan Peter with Torsten L., Beret and Ludvig. In the 1900 census, Berit is a widow with several children, the oldest, Ludvig, born Norway December 1879. Berit has 6 children, 5 living. In the 1910 census, she has 6 children, 4 living. Dates of immigration range from 1880 to 1882 in the various censuses.
The MN Historical Society death index shows 10 Julseths, 6 from Douglas County.
The Douglas County Genealogical Society provides research for out of area people. While John's father died between the 1880 and 1900 census there are state census' available in the mid decade range, 1885, 1895. You could find them there. While there was no mandatory vital records registration in the U.S. until around 1907, most counties had birth, marriage and death registers that are available.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mndougla/dcgs.html
You might consider joining Trønderlag of America, an organization for descendants of emigrants from this area with a genealogist who does research for members:
http://www.tronderlag.org/
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Jo Anne Sadler
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 19:45:33
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I believe the Torsten Julseth found in census-1880 with wife Joran must be related to your Torsten.
Maybe they financed the tickets?  Because the emigration papers says that tickets for Torsten, Beret and Ludvig was paid in America.
Johana Julsath is living there, and she is from Stjørdal also. Sisters Ingeborg and Johanna Julseth emigrated April 1st, 1880
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TLarson
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 23:27:04
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Yes Jan Peter I'm very sure that the Torsten Julseth you found with wife Beret and son Ludvig is the correct one. Also I've heard or actually read about the other Torsten because his son wrote an autobiography when he was quite old and I found it out on the net. I also rememer my grandfather saying that my grandmother's grandparents came from the area of stordalen.
The gravemarker for Beret says that she lived from 1850-1926 and Torsten 1852-1896 and Ludvig lived from 1879-1948 so i can be quite sure that these are the correct Julseths. If you find anything else please post it. Thank you very much for this help!
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TLarson
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 23:36:52
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I am also wondering if there is any way to find out if and how the two Torstens are related. I'd appreciate any help! Thanks!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 00:31:59
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This must be the Torsten Julseth which married Joran: Click here
Torsten Torstensen, Juelset vestre farm, 20 years old in census-1865; ie. born ca 1846.
Johanna born 1860 who came over in 1880 is his sister!
He must have emigrated before 1873, since his son Theodore is born in Minnesota that year. I've not found him in the list of Emigrants from Trondheim 1867-1930, so there's a possibility that he emigrated in 1866, just after the census was recorded.
His parents are Torsten Tronsen (53) & Mali Nielsdatter (49).
Your Torsten's parents was Lornts Larsen (44) & Marta Lorntsdatter (36).
So the Torsten's can not be cousins... 
But they were atleast neighbours in Norway...
Jan Peter
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TLarson
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 01:05:32
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| Yes that sounds like the other Torsten I read about because I remember it telling that his parents were Torsten and Mali. Well now I know that they are most likely not related unless it was further back in the history. Thank you very much for your help Jan Peter! |
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jwiborg
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TLarson
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 01:14:55
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Yes that is the life story I was talking about; for Anton T. Julseth.
It is very interesting! |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 01:34:46
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Is this the brother Nils who stayed behind in Norway:
1900 census
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jwiborg
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 01:38:43
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Stjørdal bygdebok III - Julset:
Lornts Larsen Julsethaug is born 2-Mar-1819, dead 1-Feb-1894. His father was Lars Olsen Bergstrøen in Øfstidalen. His wife Marta is called Lorntsdatter in the census, but is named Torkildsdatter in the Bygdebook for Stjørdal....
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Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 04/03/2006 01:41:41 |
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Trying to find information about John Julseth
