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talk329
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 Posted - 01/09/2006 : 21:47:52
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I have Anton Betka who arrived from Posen, German Poland, born 14 Jan 1864:he emigrated from Hamburg Germany on the Polonasia & arrived in New York, NY 1883.
Also Frank Bejtka & his wife, Marianna who arrived in NY, probably mid 1800s.
Also looking for Martin Polcin who arrived in NY somewhere in mid 1800s. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2006 : 23:36:57
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Check for Anton (Antonio) Betka in the area of Mason County, Michigan.
There seems no reason to check any Norwegian records or archives for these persons who all appear to be Polish. Perhaps you were looking for some other website? |
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talk329
Starting member
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Posted - 01/09/2006 : 23:54:30
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| I saw many ships and have relatives that left from Hamburg Germany who were born in Prussia, Ger-Pol .I saw many ships that left from Hamburg and Liverpool on the Norway-Heritage Website. Consequently, I thought this site would be helpful. It is a very good sight. Can you suggest such a website that might be helpful for me. I have all of them in Ludington, but I cannot connect the families with what I have. I can tell from the census who makes up the family, e.g. wife, children.Thank you for the info.Therese |
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Hopkins
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talk329
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Posted - 02/09/2006 : 02:02:18
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Thank you very much Mr Hopkins
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2006 : 02:39:24
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Where did you get the information that Anton Betka immigrated to New York in 1883?
There is an Anton Betka, born 1863, arrived at the Port of Baltimore, Maryland on June 10, 1893, leaving Bremen, Germany on March 25, 1893. Last residence, Schwersenz, Germany-Austrian, 29 years, 11 months, laborer. Passage paid by brother in Baltimore, going to stay with brother in Baltimore.
The Port of Baltimore was the leading port for German immigrants, not NY even if they ended up in New York. The train station was right next to the docks and their luggage was just put on the train from the ship and off they went. Don't know why this voyage took so long.
Many ships stopped at the Port of New York, disembarked some of the passengers and then proceeded to other ports. However, their passenger manifests were surrendered in New York and the passengers that proceeded to other ports show up in the 1892-1924 Ellis Island database. Please note the short article I wrote about this situation:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/hunting-passenger-lists-genealogy.asp?articleid=12&zoneid=8
I often wonder what the actual correct total of people processed at Ellis Island was when you take take out the 3 1/2 years Ellis Island was closed due to a fire and all the passengers that actually proceeded to other ports. Alot less than the fund raisers want everyone to believe, I think. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2006 : 05:03:55
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| 1883 is the year that appears to be on every US census for both Anton.. Betkas found - most of the foreign born Betkas in the Mason Co. area appear to list 1883 as immigration year. |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2006 : 19:11:53
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| The poster said Anton ARRIVED in New York in 1883, wondered where he got the NY arrival, the place of arrival is not indicated in census and as we all know, the census' are not exactly accurate records. |
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talk329
Starting member
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Posted - 04/09/2006 : 18:59:14
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Mr. Hopkins thank you for the info but I do have all the Betka's and Polcin's as well as Sobieralska's on all census in Mason County Ludington MI. I am having difficulty as to sibbling relationship, essentially, how families are related to other Betka familys. And all I find on census is Posen/Prussia or Ger-Pol.
For example: I found a Casmir/Kasmer Betka who applied for Citizenship, have 3 documents Declar of Intention,Petition for Naturalization & Oath of Allegiance to US.The Decl of Intent states "born in Posan German, Poland, born 30th Dec 1866. emigrated to US from Hamburg Germany on the vessel Columbia, his last foreign address Posen, German Poland, his wife is Philomenia born in Milwaukee Wis address of res in Ludington. He renounced 'forever....and particularly to William 2nd German Emperor of whom he was a subject, arrived at the Port of NY, NY on or abt 18th Sept 1883."Also listed are his 8 children who were all born in Ludington, MI. He was Naturalized 3 Jan 1921.There is also a description of his appearance. Hope I did not make this too lengthy but was thrilled to find so much on the Citizenship papers.
I have only the Intent of Declar on Anton Betka that states he was born in Posen, German Poland 14th Jan 1864, emigrated from Hamburg on the Polonazia, and has wife Josephine born in Posen also and he renounced Williamm11 German Emperor , he arrived also at the Port of NY in NY State on or abt 25th May 1883.He signed his Allegiance to become Citizen of USA 3 Nov 1876 in Ludington Circuit Ct.
So I am thinking that Casmir, Anton may be a brother to my grandfr., Michael Betjka/Betka who was born 1863. My grandfr was a stow-away, hid in the coal bin and kept the fires going, & he claimed that he also went into NY Port. My grandfr. only filed Intent to become Citizen. My gt-grandfr., Frank Bejtka only filed a Intent to become Citizen of US........he was born about 1833 according to Mason county census.Thank you for your interest and hope this will in someway help others.I had another message that I will answer but also refer her to read my response to you. Thank you very much. I think I had the Anton,Antoine as two different persons, but looking again they seem to be the same. Therese
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Originally posted by Hopkins
1883 is the year that appears to be on every US census for both Anton.. Betkas found - most of the foreign born Betkas in the Mason Co. area appear to list 1883 as immigration year.
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talk329
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Posted - 04/09/2006 : 19:09:57
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Jo Anne,
I was lucky enough that Anton had filed the Intent of Declararation;Petition for Naturalization and Oath of Allegiance to become a US Citizen. That is where I got the date and place from.
I answered Mr. Hopkins message to me and would like to refer you to the info I sent him. It is much longer and you may have other questions.
I recently got a good book "Polish Roots" and it has a wealth of info. It lists all the cities in each of the 4 splits in Poland. I have not yet set down to list these cities/villages but I am sure it will be helpful too. I apologize for not getting back to you soon, was out of town for a couple days. Thank you again, and please refer to Hopkins message to me. Therese
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Originally posted by Jo Anne Sadler
The poster said Anton ARRIVED in New York in 1883, wondered where he got the NY arrival, the place of arrival is not indicated in census and as we all know, the census' are not exactly accurate records.
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talk329
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Posted - 04/09/2006 : 20:03:22
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Jo Anne,
I answered part of this in my note to Hopkins and asked you to look at my message to him.
Nonetheless, Your finding an Anton Betka born 1863 & emigrated to US Baltimore Port was most interesting. Perhaps I should look there because history shows that parts of Germany/Poland were within different boundaries at different times.I have found the German spelling for Polish Bejtka spelled with an 'h' and then spelled Betka and Betke, the latter of my relatives living in Detroit and some in Ludington.
I also traced back the deed on the farm to 1869 when the first Frank (Francisci)Betjka purchased it....... he was my gt-grandfr., & four children are listed on that deed. The census showed they had 11 children & only 4 living, however, he married the second time after Marianna Klawenski,sp died so I do not know if he and 1st wife had 11 or has counted step children in the twelve. I have more work to do on that.
I have wondered how my Ludington relatives got to Ludington, MI from NY Port. Perhaps by train or the Great Lakes?
I was to Ellis Island about 5 years ago but not to research. I would love to visit again. There is such a unique feeling that one gets when you see the immigration for each years as they have it designed but looking at the satchels, trunks, one wonders where they all went, must have been very frightening to find some were returned to their respective countries for what we now know as some minor medical problems, others made a dash to northern Canada, too proud to accept basic supplies,etc.
Any how I found this on the internet by an individual www.herby.com The Site is in Polish but he said click green button at top click "slownik naszwisk" put in the surname in box "Szukaj." This is what I got looking for Bejtka, 85 and then the Polish Word Rozmieszczenie and this is what came up: Wa:2,By,Lu:1,T:5, Wb:5.........I don't know what this means but will try to find out.
Hopefully I have not exhausted you but I do get carried away with this research. Best Wishes and thanks for the new info.
Therese
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Originally posted by Jo Anne Sadler
Where did you get the information that Anton Betka immigrated to New York in 1883?
There is an Anton Betka, born 1863, arrived at the Port of Baltimore, Maryland on June 10, 1893, leaving Bremen, Germany on March 25, 1893. Last residence, Schwersenz, Germany-Austrian, 29 years, 11 months, laborer. Passage paid by brother in Baltimore, going to stay with brother in Baltimore.
The Port of Baltimore was the leading port for German immigrants, not NY even if they ended up in New York. The train station was right next to the docks and their luggage was just put on the train from the ship and off they went. Don't know why this voyage took so long.
Many ships stopped at the Port of New York, disembarked some of the passengers and then proceeded to other ports. However, their passenger manifests were surrendered in New York and the passengers that proceeded to other ports show up in the 1892-1924 Ellis Island database. Please note the short article I wrote about this situation:
www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/hunting-passenger-lists-genealogy.asp?articleid=12&zoneid=8" target="_blank">http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/hunting-passenger-lists-genealogy.asp?articleid=12&zoneid=8
I often wonder what the actual correct total of people processed at Ellis Island was when you take take out the 3 1/2 years Ellis Island was closed due to a fire and all the passengers that actually proceeded to other ports. Alot less than the fund raisers want everyone to believe, I think.
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