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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 11/11/2013 : 21:13:38
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Originally posted by David Yaw
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But one that did catch my eye was your find for Kristian Strom in the above link to the Norwegian 1900 census as a foster-child, born Hammero in 1884.
Was he fostered because his parent(s) died, or maybe just couldn't afford to bring him up ??
Here is Kristian Strøm 's confirmation record. Birthplace is given as Trondhjem #1:
Source information: Troms county, Ibestad in Ibestad, Parish register copy nr. 8 (1890-1903), Confirmation records 1900, page 278.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9948&idx_id=9948&uid=ny&idx_side=-282
Hamarøy is a parish in Nordland fylke.
Here is Kristian Strøm in the 1910 Norwegian census. Now his birthplace is given as Salangen, he's married and has a child. Very unlikely that he is Cristian Tromm or Tompson:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036951000529 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/11/2013 : 21:14:17
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Hi.
The foster son Kristian Strøm was born on Hamarøy
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/11/2013 : 21:36:55
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Kristian Strøm born July 28.m 1884 in Trondheim/ or Hammarøy?
Same person or a name sake born on Hamarøy July 28. 1884 and lived in Norway, sorry, link
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David Yaw
Medium member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2013 : 21:41:00
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi.
The foster son Kristian Strøm was born on Hamarøy
Kåre
Following Jackie's and Kare's finds, looks like we can rule out this candidate. |
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David Yaw
Medium member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2013 : 22:33:26
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Peculiar, there is another Kristian Strommen a sailor in 1901 in England. This found in familysearch:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSF3-3D5
Jackie,
This Kristian Strommen was picked up in previous postings. What is intriguing is he is the only Norwegian aboard a British vessel with a small crew in Southampton - just 100km away from Ramsgate where Cristian Tompson marries and is settled in the 1911 census. Kristian Strommen's stated yob is 1883 - and that corresponds with Cristian Tompson's stated yob in the 1911 census. Tantalising, but not surely not enough in its own to confirm these are indeed one and the same person ???
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 00:05:10
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This Christian Strømmen in Southampton 1901, his birth place S Norwegian or "Sør Norge" (South Norwegian/Southern Norway) can have two meanings.
1) Norway "Sør-Norge" Southern Norway are the counties south of Nordland county, but traditionally were the two counties Nord-Trøndelag and Sør-Trøndelag considered to be a part of "Nordenfjelske" Northern Norway.
S Norway ca 1900; The counties south of Sør-Trøndelag.
2) Todays "Sørlandet" Southern Norway, the coast of the two counties Vest-Agder and Aust-Agder were before 1902 considered beeing a part of Western Norway.
If S Norwegian stands for "Sør Norsk" or "Sørlending" South Norwegian the two Agder counties seems to be most correct.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 01:02:57
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Originally posted by David Yaw
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Peculiar, there is another Kristian Strommen a sailor in 1901 in England. This found in familysearch:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSF3-3D5
Jackie,
This Kristian Strommen was picked up in previous postings. What is intriguing is he is the only Norwegian aboard a British vessel with a small crew in Southampton - just 100km away from Ramsgate where Cristian Tompson marries and is settled in the 1911 census. Kristian Strommen's stated yob is 1883 - and that corresponds with Cristian Tompson's stated yob in the 1911 census. Tantalising, but not surely not enough in its own to confirm these are indeed one and the same person ???
Hmm. I thought that this was a different Kristian Strommen than who had been posted before. This one's ship is the Rapide? Anyway, I deleted the repost. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 01:08:37
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The Sjøhistorie site has only two persons with the last name Strømmen, both appear to be this man. Of the 9000 or so sailors in the database they are supposed to be southern Norway sailors:
Ole Larsen (Strømmen)
Født:13.09.1878Fødested:Holt Sogn
Bosted:Holt, rode 51, Lauget
Foreldre:Sagarb. Karl Larsen og Maren Olsen
Annotasjonsrulle:U-26, Patent 2565Andre opplysninger
09.05.1895: Førstereisgutt, mønstret i Risør til skip "RUDOLF", mønstret av i Bergen 21.12.1895.
14.02.1900: Udslettet av Rullen paa grund af Mangel paa Lovbestemt Fart.
If there is a reasonable certainty that Cristian Tromm / Tompson was a sailor in Norway before he came to England it might be of value to search for these sailor's records for him:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/genealogy.asp?articleid=4&zoneid=2
Hopefully there will be a death certificate containing a birthdate and other information for Cristian.
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 05:25:30
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Certainly a lot of work has been undertaken by you tireless genealogists during the past two days...Thank-you so much.
I haven't been sitting on my hands. A lot of time on the telephone yesterday to various military, civil institutions. Unfortunately no further forward at this stage. |
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David Yaw
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:24:17
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Originally posted by Kåarto
This Christian Strømmen in Southampton 1901, his birth place S Norwegian or "Sør Norge" (South Norwegian/Southern Norway) can have two meanings.
1) Norway "Sør-Norge" Southern Norway are the counties south of Nordland county, but traditionally were the two counties Nord-Trøndelag and Sør-Trøndelag considered to be a part of "Nordenfjelske" Northern Norway.
S Norway ca 1900; The counties south of Sør-Trøndelag.
2) Todays "Sørlandet" Southern Norway, the coast of the two counties Vest-Agder and Aust-Agder were before 1902 considered beeing a part of Western Norway.
If S Norwegian stands for "Sør Norsk" or "Sørlending" South Norwegian the two Agder counties seems to be most correct.
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Kare, regarding the record for the crew of the Rapid in the 1901 UK census. When I re-read the entry on line 2 of the form for Kristian Stommen, under the column "where born", I think the recorder has written "Norway, Foreign S". meaning "Foreign Subject", with "Norwegian" written in smaller text just below. I do not think the recorder means Kristian is from "Norway S" for "Southern Norway". Not sure if this helps us further in Jackie's post in searching the "seaman's roll"
It is only now when re-reading this census record that I see that on Line 5 A Wilson is recorded as from Sweden - and also denoted as "Foreign Subject" - so there were in fact 2 Scandinavians in this small crew, not just 1 as we previously thought. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 13:13:52
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Hello David.
Perhaps you are right.
I did not think of that.
I thought perhaps the info S Norwegian came from Christian, but he had most likley given the name of region or place in Norway.
Christian is a hard nut to crack 
Most likely he came to England before 1900.
I have a feeling he was a "førstereisgutt" a deck boy who perhaps jumped of the ship in England.
Just a thought;
To me it looks like the reason he used an English name of his father was because he did not want to be found.
I do not know if the English authorities at that time required a birth certificate or passport to get married in England?
Another shot in the dark:
Christian Tromm, Christian Strømm.
Christian Strømm born on or connected to the island Trommøya outside Arendal town, Aust-Agder county.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 17:01:54
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 20:43:32
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Christian was an engineer "Motormann" in Norwegian
Not sure if or where an engineer school was taken place in Norway ca 1900.
You started on level one as "Maskingutt" an apprentice, and then promoted to "Smører" an finally "Motormann" Engineer when you was trained and level 4 was chief engineer (ships officer).
The engineer supported/helped the chief engineer.
It was the chief engineer who promoted a "smører" to "motormann" engineer
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
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Posted - 14/11/2013 : 12:05:41
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Through a link supplied by David Yaw I contacted this Gentleman in Canada who had researched the Fast's lineage.
After explaining to him the search for Cristian's date and place of birth he replied with this:
Hi Derek,
I have just spoken to a Norwegian, who said that many Lutheran Records
are available. I tried familysearch.org a free Mormon site, and
came up with the 6 following possibilities:-
Kristian Thomesen
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
birth: 23 July 1882
christening: 27 August 1882 HALDEN, OSTFOLD, NORWAY
residence: 1882 Halden, Ostfold, Norway
father: Thomas Marinius Bernhard Thomesen
mother: Trine Amalie Harby
Kristian Thorvald Thomassen
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
birth: 30 December 1882
christening: 29 April 1883 Bremsnes, Møre og Romsdal, Norway
residence: 1882 Møre og Romsdal, Norway
father: Kristian Thomassen
mother: Barbro Kristiansdr
Christian Jørgen Thomassen
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
birth: 20 October 1881
christening: 13 November 1881 Tomter, Østfold, Norway
residence: 1881 Østfold, Norway
father: Thorvald Thomassen
mother: Thale Sørensdatter
Kristian Thomassen
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
birth: 18 October 1881
christening: 13 November 1881 Fjel, Hordaland, Norway
residence: 1881 Hordaland, Norway
father: Iver Thomassen
mother: Marta Olsdatter
Christian Bernhard Thomasen
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
birth: 26 May 1884
christening: 17 August 1884 Buskerud, Norway
residence: 1884 Buskerud, Norway
father: Andreas Thomasen
mother: Olava Larsdatter
Kristian Thomassen
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
christening: 12 October 1884 Ringebu, Oppland, Norway
residence: Oppland, Norway
father: Torsten Thomassen
mother: Kristine Iversdatter
Note that none of the names is a perfect match, but at least the
father's names are all different. The marriage certificate MAY have the
original spelling. You can get the certificate within a couple of
weeks. I have an account if you do not know what to do:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
I cannot find a tree with his name on it. If you want a wager, I think
the first is the most likely, because the age is correct, there was no
middle name, and the first son of Cristian and Maud was called Thomas.
Best wishes
David.
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jungfigh
Senior member
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Posted - 14/11/2013 : 12:12:55
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I do have the copy of Cristian's and Maud's wedding.
Cristian does sign his name Cristian Tompson on that certificate. Does the new information above cast any new lines of enquiry..?
As David stated the first name seems the best bet, but, the date of birth doesn't quite match with the information given. i.e. 1883.
Could you geographic historians confirm that Halden could have been miscronstrued as Walden..? |
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Edited by - jungfigh on 14/11/2013 12:13:17 |
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