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mkptrsn
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 Posted - 03/06/2007 : 18:00:52
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Hello,
I'm hoping somebody might understand what this birth record says. It is the first entry on the second page, Maria. I am curious what Qvarterm is (this is in front of the father's name).
Also, my families name seems to have been Gjertz and I am curious to know what type of name this is. I can't figure out where my ancestor Anders Olsen Gjertz was from but he seemed to move from farm to farm and was a Sheriff in Totens in the early 1800's. He lived ca. 1779-1819. (Fridrick Gjertz in this source record below that I need help translating is his brother).
Source information: Oppland county, Toten, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1820), Birth and baptism records 1817, page 42.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8962&idx_id=8962&uid=ny&idx_side=-43
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070205620224.jpg
Thank you! Mike Peterson |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 18:25:47
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Hi Mike
Qvartermester means he was in the Navy ranked between corporal and sergeant.
Gjertz was likely a family name, perhaps German.
Today the only Gjertz remaining in Norway (acc. ABC) seems to be a researcher in the artic, on the island of Svalbard.
In 1870 the District stipendiary in Kongsberg town Hjalmar Gjertz born in Christiania about 1823, he then had a daughter Terese.
In the 1865 census he lived as a bachelor with his mother Magdalene Elizabeth Gjertz. born on Toten about 1780 and a sister Hilda born in Christiania about 1818
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 05/06/2007 21:11:34 |
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 18:45:28
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Hi Kċre -
Thanks for the info! I thought Gjertz may have been either of German or Swedish origin. My other forefather Johan Lampe's father was born in Bremen, German apparently...I'm surprised at all these leads that may take me to Germany!
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Kċarto
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eibache
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 16:40:04
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Hi there,
Thank you for the information. I really have to sit back and figure this out. Fred. wife is listed with the surname of Gjertz, however the person I assumed was his brother (my ggg-grandfather), Anders Ols. Gjertz is also listed as Gjertz. I somehow need to figure out where this name came from!
My ggg-grandfather Anders Gjertz was born about 1779 (not sure where) and married Inge Olsdatter about 1811 or so. They had a couple kids, Ole and Marie Andersen (Gjertz). Maria is my gg-grandmother. I know very little about this family. The family seemed to be military, scribes, etc. so I am wondering if they relocated from elsewhere...
Thank you,
Mike
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Kċarto
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 21:08:55
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Mike
The Gjertz family (spelled various ways) also seems to have been people in leading positions in society. They were all likely related because of the uncommon name in Norway.
Magdalene Elisabeth Gjertz mentioned in the 1865 Kongsberg census, mother to District stipendiary Hjalmar Gjertz, was born on Toten with last name Hoff, so for sure she married a Gjertz, perhaps Fredrik Gjertz age 17 in 1801 census for Toten, and used his last name.
Magdalene Elisabeth was related to County gevernor in Kristans amt (County), Kristian Sommerfelt in the 1801 census for Toten.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f10528&gardpostnr=310&personpostnr=6378&merk=6378#ovre
In 1816 in Moss municipality in Ĝstfold, county administrator Gjertz administrated an examination of a suspect in a post robbery.
Jacobine Bernard-Gjertz 1819-62, famous Norwegian pianist, living in both Oslo and France.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 05/06/2007 21:21:53 |
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eibache
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 10:38:27
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If you go to LDS and search for people with he last name Gjertz and the country Norway - you get a lot of "Gjertzs"
Magdalena Elisabeth will be found there - her husband was Peter Gjerts and two children, a daughter Jacobine Sophie <PSDATTER GJERTZ> and a son Christian August <PETERSEN GJERTZ> is listed. Hjalmar should then have been a <PETERSEN GJERTZ>.
You could also search for Giertz and Gjerts of course. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 11:06:36
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Hi,
your Anders Giertz got married in Romedal, Hedmark, on 03 DEC 1810
Link1
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It's hard to interpret the original record...
Jan Peter |
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eibache
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 15:25:53
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The original record says "Co****ret constitueret Sorenskriver Giertz og pigen" (United temporarily appointed district recorder Giertz and the maiden)
The word Co****ret has been written right, but is not accepted.
I try each star by itself
1* p
2* u
3* l
4* e |
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Edited by - eibache on 06/06/2007 15:31:33 |
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 17:21:48
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Hello,
I will follow all these leads today and let everyone know how it ends up. How in the world was the Hedmark record found! That is very impressive because I don't know how you'd even know to look there! Thank you! I was curious about their wedding because they had a stillborn daughter in 1811 and I thought she might have been born out of wedlock which now doesn't seem to be the case. Through some research (last night) it seem that his family is:
Ole Gjertz & Maria Nilsdtr
1) Anders Olsen Gjertz - married Inge Olsdatter (children=stillborn in 1811, Ole Gjertz in 1814, Maria Dorthea in 1817
2) Friderich Olsen Gjertz - married Maria Olsdatter (children= Maria in 1816 and Frederick in 1821)
3) Peter Gjertz - Magdalena Elisabeth Anderasdatter (children=Hjalmar in 1823, Hilda in 1818, and eibache mentioned Jacobine Sophie and Christian)
4) Maren
5) Birthe
6) Anne Karine
7) Maria
(it seems the younger kids were born in Aas Parish, Vestre Toten, not sure of the older children)
I am the ggg-grandson of Ander's & Inger's daughter Maria Dorthea who either emigrated with her husband Peder Johannesen Maleterud/Lille Malterud btwn 1867-early 1870's, or she possibly died in Norway before her husband and family left more Amerika (I cannot find any of their emigration records).
I found Maria Dorthea's brother, Ole on the 1865 census as a schoolteacher in Ringsager District, Hedmark County.
For such a seemingly prominent family, the Gjertz' seem elusive!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 19:13:08
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Hi,
I can't see that Friderich Olsen is from the Gjertz family???
Frederich Olsen is christened 22 MAR 1795, Ĝstre Toten, Oppland by parents Ole Olsen & Maria Fredrichsdr. And as said above, they are living on the Grimaas farm in census-1801.
His wife however, she is a Giertz. Marie Olsdr is born ca 1789 and is the daughter of sheriff Ole Giertz & wife Marie Nielsdr. Ole & Marie looks to have married in 1776.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 06/06/2007 19:53:10 |
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 19:57:15
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Hi,
That makes sense. So do you think that there might be a second Fred. with surname Gjerst? I found that name along with an Anders Olsen on the 1801 census:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe
Ĝstre Toten is a great lead for me! Thank you.
Mike |
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Kċarto
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mkptrsn
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Birth Record Translation/name question
