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Kċarto
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 05/06/2007 : 00:55:51
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Bertel Gundersen´s confirmation record Sunday June 3. 1852 show us that he was born March 3. 1836 in Snertingdal. His marks in Christianity was "Meget godt"- Very good. Bertel was vaccinated Sept. 4. -38
His father "Huusmand"-Cotter Gunder Bertelsen is mentioned in the 1865 census abowe as a widower, but this record give us his mother´s name.
Bertels mother was Marit Thronsdatter, nr 3, top page
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8940&idx_id=8940&uid=ny&idx_side=-175
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 06/06/2007 23:58:21 |
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NearNorsewood
Kiwi Viking special member
New Zealand
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 05:33:40
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Thank you, Einar, Kċre, and Jan Peter.
You've obviously all been hard at work while this side of the planet (New Zealand) was sleeping. I appreciate your help.
It's going to take a while to sort my way through this.
I have one question: Where is Bertel in the 1865 Census? I haven't found him. Is it possible that he was travelling and wasn't recorded?
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Pip
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Norsewood Cemetery & Settlers' Genealogies Project
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 05:39:56
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Actually I'm on the same side of the planet as you at the moment..., beeing in Melbourne for about a month now... 
Yes, I think Bertel must have been left out of teh census, probably because of the travelling..., maybe he stayed at a guest house or something? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 10:13:05
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I think Jan Peter is right, Bertel Gundersen was temorary working on farm Tĝmmerċsen in Biri before he married Mari Hansdatter in Ringsager 1864, in 1865 he was temporary in Hamar, that´s likely why hi is not listed in the 1865 cenus.
To drop betwen two chairs, a Norwegian saying.
Bertil Gundersen christening March 23.1836 in Svatsum church in Vestre Gausdal, born March 3. 1836, nr 6.
Parents: Gunder Bertelsen og Mari Thronsdr Snertingdal
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8944&idx_id=8944&uid=ny&idx_side=-51
A new Svatsum chursh was build 1860, picture show the area where the old church was placed.
http://www.gausdal.kommune.no/artikkel/56571/10118:56564:
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Kċarto
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eibache
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 13:54:04
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Just want to point out that my listing of june 4 for the 1865 census indicates that Bertel at that time was at Hamar (med slagt?-I guess not - Prĝysen was not even born!)
Bertels mother by the way was Marit Thronsdatter, not Mari Fransdatter. |
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Kċarto
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BEV39
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Posted - 07/06/2007 : 06:40:36
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| Thank you Kare, Einar and Jan Peter for the exciting information on Mari and Bertil Gundersen. I have been wondering if Ole(33) and Marte(23) Gundersen from S Odalen, Andreas (31) and Karen(32) Gundersen from Frederikstad and Pietter(41) and Anne(41) Gundersen from Kristiania were Bertils relations. They emigrated on the Hovding in 1872. There were also a number of Hansens aboard who could have been Maris brothers and sisters - I could list them. Bev |
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Kċarto
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Norway
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Posted - 07/06/2007 : 10:30:28
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Simenstad in Veldre local parish in Rigsager is coming from man´s name Sigmund /Sigmundr is first time mentioned in a diploma July. 20. 1337 as Sigmundastaudum
http.//www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_visetekst.prl?s=n&Vise=Vise&KRYSS34363@7765=on
lille Ringsager is first mentioned in a diploma from March 30. 1539 as Lilleringsacher
http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_visetekst.prl?s=n&Vise=Vise&KRYSS34896@7893=on
About your question abowe, perhaps someone here can find out about if they were related to your folks.
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Kċarto
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eibache
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Posted - 07/06/2007 : 16:21:59
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Gunder and Marit had these children
Ole born Nov 22 1827
Ragnild born January 8 1832
Hans born May 26 1834
Bertel born March 3 1836
Hans and Eli had these children
Antonette born December 28 1841
Marie born August 28. 1843
Simen born April 18 1846
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BEV39
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 22:25:24
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NearNorsewood
Kiwi Viking special member
New Zealand
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 01:41:46
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I think the correct date for Maria's birth is 1 Dec 1843, chr 17 Dec 1843. See no. 124:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6013&idx_id=6013&uid=ny&idx_side=-118
(There is another Maria, no. 119, born in August - easy mistake.)
Hans STEFFENSEN and Eli MIKKELSDATTER probably had several more children.
I have also found Johanne (b. 10 years after Simen):
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100174454274&lds=1®ion=12&frompage=1
Christening: 03 FEB 1856 Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway.
Parish Register: Hedmark fylke, Ringsaker, Ministerialbok nr. 9 (1850-1860), Page 133, Christening no. 21, 1856.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8843&idx_id=8843&uid=ny&idx_side=-139 |
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NearNorsewood
Kiwi Viking special member
New Zealand
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 01:57:51
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Hans STEFFENSEN was born abt 1812.
Am I correct in thinking that Ringsaker/Ringsager christening records for 1811-1813 are not available? |
Pip
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