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mkptrsn
Medium member
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 Posted - 05/06/2007 : 16:45:35
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Hello,
I am looking for the place where my ancestors originally settled in Wisconsin. I heard it was around Madison but not sure.
They were: John Pedersen Rud (wife Carrie/Kari/karen Gilbertson). they had 1 daughter, Mary (Maria) born in wisconsin in 1867 before they moved to MN in 1870. John immigrated in 1867, and Carrie in 1866/67.
I searched 1870 census but found nothing. John P. Rud originally came from Malterud (lille) Farm in Vestre Toten, Oppland.
Thank you,
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
1100 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2007 : 19:21:36
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There is alot of information on the Internet about Norwegian immigrants to the Madison area, Dane County. They would come there, work and save some money and then move on to other places where there was still land available. By 1870, most of the Wisconsin land would have been taken.
It is doubtful he went by Rud in the early days, most likely Pedersen/Petersen or Maltarud or any such variation. Was John his given name or an Americanized name? Have you verified the birth dates/emigration dates, etc. in the actual church records and the secondary farm records? You cannot rely on census records, they are just a starting point to find the actual records. The Vestre Toten records are available online, this would be an easy thing to find.
The 1870 census done in July and if they were in the process of moving, there is a chance they were never registered in the census. |
Edited by - Jo Anne Sadler on 05/06/2007 19:22:46 |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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1100 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2007 : 19:46:27
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Here he is in the 1865 census at Lillemalterud in Vestre Toten, his given name is Johannes:
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 20:32:28
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Hi Jo Anne,
Thank you for the information, it was helpful. John was born Johannes Augustus Pedersen on the Malterud(lille) Farm in 1839. The census info. you found is the correct family. I think you might be correct regarding the 1870 census because I have a record that states that John P. Rud was building a log cabin at the end of summer/early fall 1870...they must have been en route during the 1870 census. I have search high and lo for any record of these folks in Wisconsin. I even searched John's wife, Carrie (nee Gilbertson), daughter of Gilbert Johansen (Carrie is sometimes Carrie Johnson in US records). I can't find her or her father (if he even came to US). She came in 1866-67.
As for the name, John's father and brother went by Malterud eventually, his sister and possibly others took Ruud, and John took Rud/Rudd/Rude, and eventually his children settled on Peterson (which is how I got my surname).
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Lislcat
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 20:58:58
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You just answered my question. I found that he was already John P. Rud by the 1875 Minnesota Census. You didn't mention that his father was with them. I found Peter Johnson age 75, born in Norway, living with them in Becker, MN, in the 1875 Minnesota Census. If he came over with them, that gives us one more person to search for.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 21:36:34
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Mike -
Investigate carefully the 1870 US census in the area of Vernon Co. Wisconsin. There is a husband and wife (Johannes and Caren Pederson) with a much older Peder and Anne Johnson living next door? The names of children don't seem to match anything you've mentioned -- but perhaps some of the children didn't live very long and that's why they decided to make a big move further west....
It looks like an interesting possibility ... YOU should study the that resource. |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
1100 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2007 : 23:10:12
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In the 1875 census in Becker, Marie is listed as being 7 years old, born Wisconsin, so that would make her estimated birth date 1868.
I know you asked about the 1870 census, but if you are interested in information about Vestre Toten, this lag has a nice website.
http://www.totenlag.org/ |
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Lislcat
Advanced member
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 23:11:36
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Mike,
Since Maria was born in Wisconsin, have you tried requesting a birth certificate from the state? If you have the exact birth date and a few possible spellings of a last name, you may get lucky and then you might also have the address of where they were living at the time. Have you gotten her death certificate? Or John or Karen's? Each of those things might shed some light. I really think that Maria is the key, since she was born in WI.
Good luck!
Wanda |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 23:14:37
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Hi,
Thanks for the census tip. I checked it out but it wasn't the same family. John was single living on the lillemalterud farm in 1865, and their oldest (Mary) was born in Wisconsin. Her death record says Madison but who knows. I feel like I've gone over the census ad naseum for years now! I don't know when John Rud's father came to America, I thought possibly around 1872 or so, but the family may have come together...this is all unclear to me. I know John left in 1867, and I don't know about his wife Carrie Gilbertson. There was no marriage record for them in Totens database so I just thought they came to US separately and married in Wisconsin, then moved to MN in 1870. John's father, Peder Malterud died sometime between 1880-1885 because I couldn't find him on the 1885 MN census. |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 23:21:29
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Hello,
I have Carrie and Mary's death certificates. We only know that John P. Rud died sometime btwn 1900-1901. Mary's birthday was 29 Mar 1868 (says Madison). Carrie died in 1923, and her death certificate said she was in the US for 57 years.
John Rud's naturalization record said he came to the US June 1867. I searched the Wisconsin birth index on ancestry.com but was unable to find Mary's birth record, nor have I been able to find any marriage records. |
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Lester Hanson
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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1100 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 02:35:53
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Have you seen this database? I have found it is not complete but then not everyone registered births. Rural areas, language differences, etc. Also, it does not give a lot of leeway in different spellings:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/vitalrecords/
When they immigrated, the great majority of ships went to Quebec, they would have most likely taken steamers to get to the port of Milwaukee on Lake Michigan, which is directly east of Madison in Dane County. |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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92 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 03:47:02
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Hello,
The family emigrated in 1867 from Malterud(lille) farm so the 1900 Norwegian link could have family members.
I have tried the Wisconsin History vital records...I tried again and again! This just might be one of those mysteries. Thanks for the info. on the immigration. I thought that they may have come through Quebec but wasn't sure. |
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Lislcat
Advanced member
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 04:21:05
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Mike,
I'm planning on going to the Wisconsin Historical Society later this week and I'll see what I can find out. If Maria was actually born in Madison, you'd stand a better chance of actually having a birth certificate, than if she was born in a rural area.
I have one of those mysteries too and that's why I'm going to the Historical Society. I'm starting to feel desperate, so I really want to find some information and maybe I can find some for you too! Cross your fingers! If you have any other pertinent info, please let me know and I'll do my best.
Good luck, Wanda |
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mkptrsn
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/03/2010 : 07:05:55
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Originally posted by mkptrsn
What is the slavery reference in the notes section?
It's the name of the prison; it was called "Trondheim festnings slaveri".
A slave was a prisoner doing prison labor at a castle.
Trondheim castle was a slavery. The inmates had to work and to produce things which could later be sold in the chastening house' local store. This price list shows what they had for sale. It lists garden tools, breadknives, kitchen chairs, curling tongs, ironing board, moldings etc etc.
Trondheim's citizens could also rent a slave to do home work. The cost was about $3 per day.
Although it's not called a slavery anymore, the inmates at Trondheim prison still produce furniture etc, which are sold in their local store.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 24/03/2010 07:10:47 |
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