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Lislcat
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 Posted - 24/03/2010 : 15:17:56
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Jan Peter,
Would this mean that Johannes was an inmate/prisoner or did he work there? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/03/2010 : 16:59:29
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Originally posted by Lislcat
Would this mean that Johannes was an inmate/prisoner or did he work there?
Census-1865 list Johannes Gunders. Berg as an inmate at Akershus festnings slaveri.
Census-1875 list Johan Gundersen Skyberg as an inmate at Trondheim festnings slaveri.
Akershus Castle in downtown Oslo.
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 24/03/2010 : 20:16:15
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Thank you both for the information and photo! This is very interesting to know that my uncle was a shoemaker in prison.
Is there any way to discover through records why he was jailed, and for what length of time? I was unable to locate him on the 1900 census. Also, would inmates be recorded in parish death registers at that time? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 24/03/2010 : 20:32:43
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Originally posted by mkptrsn
This is very interesting to know that my uncle was a shoemaker in prison.
The listing says that he was a shoemaker by profession. It doesn't mean that he made shoes while in jail, although he could have done that.
Jan Peter
Btw; your uncle was born in 1842??? That's quite an old uncle...  |
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eibache
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Posted - 24/03/2010 : 22:56:02
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Is there any way to discover through records why he was jailed, and for what length of time?
- yes records are available, but a visit to Riksarkivet, Oslo and good service from people there is needed.
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eibache
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Posted - 25/03/2010 : 10:34:45
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Photo of Trondheim festning where there was a prison (slaveri).
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Lislcat
Advanced member
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Posted - 26/03/2010 : 23:24:48
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 02:22:43
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Thank you for the info and the pictures. I wrote an email to the archives so maybe they will be able to help out with the research. I didn't even think that he committed different crimes, I just thought he had transferred from the Oslo prison to Trondheim. I'd like to think he was imprisoned for free thinking rather than being a horse thief!
His farm was located in Øyer (Øier) Parish in Oppland, and he was the son of Gunder Johans. and Ronnaug Pedersdtr. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 09:54:20
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Hi Mike,
I'm sorry, but he was not imprisoned for free thinking, but daylight robberies..., I stumbled over his conviction at the Slavery in Trondheim! 
Throndhjems Bything, 21 september 1874: Simpelt Tyveri efter for hen en Gang at være domfældt for Tyvsforbrydelser begået over 18 Aars alder.
Trondheim city Court, September 21st, 1874: Daylight robbery after once being sentenced for theftcrimes comitted over the age of 18.
The penalty was 1 year slavery, and he started his term on Sept. 24th, 1874. He was released from Trondheim slavery on Sept. 24, 1875. It says he was a shoemaker by profession, and he did shomaker work at the slavery.
4 earlier convictions:
Thoten, Vardal og Biri sorenskriveri, dom 25 februar 1853. 16 slag ris for simpelt tyveri.
Mellem-Gudbrandsdalen sorenskriveri, dom 20. juli 1853. 16 slag ris for simpelt tyveri.
Søndre-Gudbrandsdalen sorenskriveri, dom 16. juni 1854. 24 slag ris for simpelt tyveri.
Mellem-Gudbrandsdalen sorenskriveri, dom 30. oktober 1855. 24 slag ris for simpelt tyveri.
Thoten, Vardal and Biri Court, Feb 25th, 1853, sentenced to 16 whippings for daylight robbery.
Mellem-Gudbrandsdalen Court, Jul 20th, 1853, sentenced to 16 whippings for daylight robbery.
Søndre-Gudbrandsdalen Court, Jun 16th, 1854, sentenced to 24 whippings for daylight robbery.
Mellem-Gudbrandsdalen Court, Oct 30th, 1855, sentenced to 24 whippings for daylight robbery.
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Straffet paa Kroppen med Ris 4 Gange for Tyveri, begaaet (...) opnaaet criminel Lavalder.
Punished on the body with whipping 4 times for theft, comitted (after) (before) achieved criminal consent.
It doesn't say anything about his time at Akershus Slavery in 1865.
Trondheim Slavery
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eibache
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 12:02:02
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Under Notes:
Straffet paa Kroppen med Ris 4 Gange for Tyveri, begaaet (...) opnaaet criminel Lavalder.
Punished on the body with whipping 4 times for theft, comitted (after) achieved criminal consent.
This is what I read:
Straffet paa Kroppen med Ris 4 Gange for Tyveri, begaaet førinnen opnaaet criminel Lavalder.
(Punished on the body with whipping 4 times for theft, comitted before the minimum age for prosecution.)
It is also stated that he was "omflakkende" = always on the move. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 12:07:45
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Yes, of course. Thank you. He was born in 1842, so at the convictions in 1853-54, he was only 11-12 years old....
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 18:41:10
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That is really cool information to have! I can't thank you enough for locating all of this and answering the questions that I had! I see that this guy was a repeat offender with petty thefts. Ok, so maybe not a free thinker, but maybe it was more of a 'Robin Hood' scenario helping his family :-) Apparently the whippings were not much of a deterrent for Johannes.
It's interesting that he started getting into trouble at such a young age...and I think it will be difficult to locate him because he is 'always on the move'.
His sister (my great-great grandmother) left Norway in April/May 1866 - she had relocated to Gjovik by the 1865 census and I wonder if she left because she needed to help out her family as she was the eldest and had a brother who was apparently of little assistance to his family.
I will continue to research Johannes and maybe I will be able to locate him elsewhere. You guys are great! Thank you very much!
Mike
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jwiborg
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 19:33:11
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Doesn't this look like a possibility?
The christening of their daughter Alma Marie list her father as Johannes Gundersen Skyberg, a shoemaker from Øyer, Gudbrandsdalen...
Mother is Signild Marie Johansen.
Here is their marriage record from Sept. 14, 1879.
Johannes is listed as born in Grytten parish...
His father: Gunder Johannesen. Her father: Johan K. Alexandersen.
Signild in 1875.
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 28/03/2010 : 18:07:21
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Hello -
You found Johannes! Awesome. He certainly was 'on the go' to end up in Troms. I also started digging through the parish records and found 8 children born to Johannes Skyberg there. I was unable to locate the death records for Johannes or his wife Signild, but I was able to locate the info. of their oldest son's drowning at sea in a fishing incident - Thank you Jan Peter for your explanations regarding fishing in that part of the country, it is interesting to learn about this.
I think that the Skyberg's either moved or died after 1930 because the records don't seem to be in that parish during the time period that records are available. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/03/2010 : 21:01:21
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Johannes bapt record is #2.
His parents in Øyer at Skybergstuen in 1865.
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Wisconsin immigrants (Rud family)
