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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 29/03/2010 :  00:26:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1900 Norway Census of Johannes and his family in Troms.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f01930&gardpostnr=213&personpostnr=1497&merk=1497#ovre
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mkptrsn
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USA
92 Posts
Posted - 13/04/2010 :  08:23:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I located Karen's emigration records and couldn't figure out what was written under her name. The record is here:

Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Vardal, Klokkerbok nr. 5 (1854-1868), Inn- og utflyttede 1867, side 338.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9306&idx_id=9306&uid=ny&idx_side=-317
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603710192.jpg

(the emigrants are listed on the right side of the page, and she is #113).

Karen and her husband John Peterson traveled together, which is cool to know because I didn't know that they married in Norway.

Thank you,
Mike
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 13/04/2010 :  08:31:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It says "Ægtefolkene" and is related to the following two emigrants.
Since this info is not listed above 112 and 113 it is not certain that they were married.
Einar
Edited by - eibache on 13/04/2010 08:39:20
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mkptrsn
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USA
92 Posts
Posted - 13/04/2010 :  09:01:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you. I wasn't able to locate their marriage in any parish records (he was from Vester Toten and she from Oyer). I also wasn't able to locate them in the Vardal parish records. However they did have a child March 29, 1868 (this migration record is from Apr 1867).
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Lislcat
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USA
690 Posts
Posted - 14/04/2010 :  19:07:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Mike,
I think it makes sense to think that they married in Norway, because if she was from Oyer and he was from Vester Toten, why would they have left the Vardal parish together? They must have married first. At least, that makes sense. Now to find their marriage record.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 14/04/2010 :  20:02:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe this is the parish record of Karen leaving Oyer Parish. #20 on the right side of the page. 26 October, 1865.
Source information: Oppland county, Øyer, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1858-1874), Emigration records 1866, page 315.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8929&idx_id=8929&uid=ny&idx_side=-286
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070131640489.jpg
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Lislcat
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690 Posts
Posted - 14/04/2010 :  20:22:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This makes sense, because it states that she left Øyer for Gjovik, which was joined with Vardal parish and that is the parish that they both left from to go to America. Still can't find a marriage record. Sorry!
Lislcat
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran

Norway
6495 Posts
Posted - 14/04/2010 :  20:37:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No marriage record in Vardal/Gjøvik between Karens arrival in 1865 and emig in 1867. Marriage most likely in US even though it does not make sense.
Einar
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Lislcat
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USA
690 Posts
Posted - 14/04/2010 :  21:46:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mike,
In reading your previous topics about this family, you mentioned that you thought that John P. Rud had traveled to the U.S. to start a school. Do you still believe that and do you know if they were indeed in Bergen, Norway first?
Lislcat
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mkptrsn
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USA
92 Posts
Posted - 15/04/2010 :  08:19:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello.

It does seem strange that they didn't get married in Norway, but it didn't say 'Ægtefolkene' above their name either - unless they left with the family above them? I found that family in the passenger lists on this site, however Johannes and Karen were not on the same list. John's citizenship records state that he arrived in the U.S. on June 4, 1867. And Karen's citizenship records say that she arrived in Chicago in May. I figure that they arrived in Canada in May. I also know that by March 1868 they were in the Madison, WI / Koshkonong area because their daughter was born there at that time. I was told by Karen's great-grandson (who is 96 now) that John came to the U.S. with other teachers from Bergen and worked in that area of Wisconsin. I also discovered that a friend of Johannes' who Johannes and Karen migrated to Minnesota with in 1870, taught Norwegian in Scandinavian districts in the Koshkonong - so maybe there is a connection there.
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mkptrsn
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USA
92 Posts
Posted - 15/04/2010 :  16:37:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello - I was wondering if it was common to get married on the boat coming over to America? I will keep looking in Norwegian records for now, I already had searched ELCA microfilms for Norwegian records in the Koshkonong region but was unable to locate a marriage (spotty records back then). I guess they could have married in Chicago as well, but wouldn't it be tough getting off the boat, finding a preacher to marry them, then take off to Wisconsin shortly thereafter?

I never thought I'd ever locate this much information about Karen so I am already thrilled!
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Lislcat
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USA
690 Posts
Posted - 15/04/2010 :  18:35:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know that one ancestor of mine, met their spouse on the boat and got married in America. Anything is possible. Did their boat leave from Bergen? I'm just wondering if they could of gotten married, right before they left for America? Have you checked with NAGCNL to see if they have any info on schools in Koshkonong Prairie or teachers? http://www.nagcnl.org/
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mkptrsn
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USA
92 Posts
Posted - 17/04/2010 :  20:30:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the link. I used that service once before, but can ask specifically about the schools in that area. I am not sure where they emigrated from - given the time frame and location, I sort of doubt it was Bergen - I mean, they were in Gjovik and were in America within a month or 2 after that, so I think that getting to Bergen would have been too far. I wonder if Johannes attended any school in Gjovik. I tried to do a search on schools in that city but couldn't locate anything on the history of schools there. I have also been searching through Canadian immigration records, but to no avail. I guess they took a train or boat from somewhere in Canada when they immigrated, but I wasn't able to locate Chicago records either! My searches may have run dry!

In the 1865 census Karen is in Gjovik working as a maid and her name was written as Karen Gunnersdtr.. Johannes is still on the LilleMalterud Farm in 1865 so I was wondering if between 1865 and 1867 he started school or something in Gjovik. His emigration records only say 'Johannes August Pedersen i Gjovik', without listing an occupation or farm.
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mkptrsn
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USA
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Posted - 24/04/2010 :  17:46:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, I think eibache is right about the marriage because in the parish copy of Karen and Johannes' emigration record it doesn't say 'wife' next to her name, and it does for the other wives. In this record it says 'ebid.' next to her name. What does that mean?

n: Oppland county, Vardal, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1867-1878), Imigration records 1871, Emigration records 1867, page 337.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6102&idx_id=6102&uid=ny&idx_side=-348
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070116350046.jpg

They could have married in the city before they left the country (Oslo/Bergen)

Thanks!
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
3351 Posts
Posted - 24/04/2010 :  18:35:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually ibid.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ibid.
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